Transfer Portal is a disaster

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Devo182 said:
Also the note the money to pay players has ALWAYS existed. It's simply been redistributed to: admin, coaches, commissioners, etc.

The free market (or as close as we have to a free market), such as the NFL, would say a roster of 52 is worth 20-30x that of a HC...and yet in CFB (with 85 players) it's closer to 1:1...huh!! 👀
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The NFL & College ball are neither free market... Both are "socialism" LMAO!!! Public facilities (means of production), shared revenue, redistribution of earnings. I also find it funny that the traditionalists (most likely conservatives) are clamoring for oversight & regulation. Hilarious!
 
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Devo182 said:
The NCAA is moving towards employment status/contracts.

This is the end point. OF COURSE players need to be paid. And OF COURSE they need more freedom of movement than 10 years ago.

It's the universities/NCAA's fault they were never ahead of this and forced to hand over control. This is what they get.

Now they'll pay players directly and have signed contracts. This is what they avoided for decades. Well played, but the gig is over.
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A student athlete that thinks this through probably doesn't want employment status. They need to look at what happens to coaches mid year, end of year, etc. to see what will happen to them if they don't perform. There will be contract with buy outs, performance metrics, penalties if they leave early.

Those that are truly using this for education will not be able to do that anymore. The rug could be pulled out from under them, mid semester and they either have to pay their own way or just drop out.

It is those that see participating in college sports as only a means to get to the NFL, NBA, etc. that will ultimately destroy the advantages for those students who use this to prepare themselves for other opportunities.

And what about the members of the band, the cheerleaders, student reporters and broadcasters - those that participate in the arts etc. There are a lot of different areas where students obtain scholarships and then participate in activities funded by the university to give them that experience and exposure. Granted that is not bringing in $$'s but it is the same concept.
 
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And those that think there is an endless supply of money - be prepared to see that there actually isn't an endless supply. Will you be comfortable if the only sport that a University can offer is football? No more March Madness or World Series events?
 
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volfan102455 said:
And those that think there is an endless supply of money - be prepared to see that there actually isn't an endless supply. Will you be comfortable if the only sport that a University can offer is football? No more March Madness or World Series events?
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I like transfer portal & NIL so far. I am not opposed to tweaking things. Maybe "salary" caps? The university isn't paying NIL are they? It is all a bit confusing. I have faith it will work itself out.
 
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volfan102455 said:
As employees, the players can be fired at will and subject to salary based on how well they do or don't perform. I see many colleges and universities saying .. I'm done at some point.

I could also see contracts where the player is required to stay at the university to obtain pay.
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Sure, as EMPLOYEES the school could have contracts to keep players, but that would just create an NFL/NBA collective bargaining situation and pro league problems.

And yeah, that's the sadness of the NCAA mismanaging college athletics for decades and decades. I feel sorry for the non-revenue athletes and MANY football and basketball athletes who will not enjoy the college experience because it won't be there.
 
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Devo182 said:
Good.

These "amateur coaches" have been paid millions for years.

Any concept of amateurism has been a complete joke for decades. It's probably been 60-70 years since Neyland or any other coaches also taught classes and were amatuers.

Total scam.
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Having had a "drivers ed football coach" in HS, that's pretty laughable for the SEC.

HS coaches don't have to recruit. A college coach IS a full-time position.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Sure, as EMPLOYEES the school could have contracts to keep players, but that would just create an NFL/NBA collective bargaining situation and pro league problems.

And yeah, that's the sadness of the NCAA mismanaging college athletics for decades and decades. I feel sorry for the non-revenue athletes and MANY football and basketball athletes who will not enjoy the college experience because it won't be there.
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They University is NOT paying NIL. I think there is confusion on this topic. The University is keeping all revenue generated and distributing as always as far as I know. Am I wrong?
 
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volfan102455 said:
A student athlete that thinks this through probably doesn't want employment status. They need to look at what happens to coaches mid year, end of year, etc. to see what will happen to them if they don't perform. There will be contract with buy outs, performance metrics, penalties if they leave early.

Those that are truly using this for education will not be able to do that anymore. The rug could be pulled out from under them, mid semester and they either have to pay their own way or just drop out.

It is those that see participating in college sports as only a means to get to the NFL, NBA, etc. that will ultimately destroy the advantages for those students who use this to prepare themselves for other opportunities.

And what about the members of the band, the cheerleaders, student reporters and broadcasters - those that participate in the arts etc. There are a lot of different areas where students obtain scholarships and then participate in activities funded by the university to give them that experience and exposure. Granted that is not bringing in $$'s but it is the same concept.
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You don't seem to understand, the Supreme Court is likely deciding this.

I see people blaming players, blaming other fans, blaming anyone except who files these suits.b Yes, players are involved in the suits, most of them FORMER players.

What's causing this is the NCAA being on the wrong side of the Sherman Antitrust Act and the courts ruling. THEN, the NCAA changes rules.

The inept NCAA should've been working to get on the correct side of Federal Law.
 
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CrazyUncleBob said:
They University is NOT paying NIL. I think there is confusion on this topic. The University is keeping all revenue generated and distributing as always as far as I know. Am I wrong?
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People are talking of players having contracts to stay with a school. When they do, they'll be declared employees.

Then college football is over.
 
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volfan102455 said:
I agree. It is not an endless supply of money. Folks also forget that for many schools it is the money from the headline sports, like football and basketball that allow the universities to field other sporting teams. What is everyone willing to give up? Baseball? Softball? Track? Golf? Soccer (which is a sport that is growing in popularity)? Hockey? Swimming? etc. Women sports to field the men's teams?

Then there is the problem with the ever increasing costs for the public to even be able to view the events online. Many of us should remember how the ESPN plug was pulled right before a major game due to a dispute over money and the costs that folks pay to view the shows.

There will come a time when the money supply will be an issue.
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Exactly. When the game is no longer seen as profitable for the advertisers, it will no longer be profitable for anyone. It’s in everyone’s interest to get these issues fixed.
 
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CrazyUncleBob said:
The future is unknown. Football is thoroughly ingrained in the American experience. They will find a way.
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They've tried and are trying to get an Antitrust Exemption like MLB has..... and possibly either the NFL or NBA has now.

That's in the hands of Congress. One of the "shepherds" for that legislation is Tommy Tuberville, who (not to insult spuds) has the political intelligence of a baked potato.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I know ESPN pimps gambling but I've not seen the NCAA or schools doing it. Obviously, if you've got money on a game you'll probably watch it, which helps schools indirectly, but other than that am I missing how schools "benefit" financially from gambling?
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the schools aren't doing it (yet), but the networks are pumping it non-stop and have their own books, there are endless ads for it during games, and stadiums have started providing betting info on jumbo screens. The schools benefit indirectly because I can't imagine that a large chunk of those silly media fees isn't derived from gambling revenue. I don't have a link, just my own thought.
 
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sami said:
the schools aren't doing it (yet), but the networks are pumping it non-stop and have their own books, there are endless ads for it during games, and stadiums have started providing betting info on jumbo screens. The schools benefit indirectly because I can't imagine that a large chunk of those silly media fees isn't derived from gambling revenue. I don't have a link, just my own thought.
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I don't doubt that. Given the "in game pushing" I've seen that on TV and actually in ESPN and Fox sports shows, I assume they're getting big money from the bookies.

I assume what few teeth the NCAA has left would keep schools from getting too cozy with gambling. I'm sure the school gets ad revenue from the Jumbotron ads that post odds. That's about as far as it should go, IMO.
 
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knox73 said:
Also it seems many players will get left out with nowhere to go from the portal and their previous school may have filled their slot. Not to mention a fouled up transcript that does not get close to a B.S. degree at multiple universities. Some teams may pick up players late in the game as PWOs who were not offered much or anything from the portal process - and then they are available on the cheap.
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Good. Life lesson
 
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volfan102455 said:
A student athlete that thinks this through probably doesn't want employment status. They need to look at what happens to coaches mid year, end of year, etc. to see what will happen to them if they don't perform. There will be contract with buy outs, performance metrics, penalties if they leave early.

Those that are truly using this for education will not be able to do that anymore. The rug could be pulled out from under them, mid semester and they either have to pay their own way or just drop out.

It is those that see participating in college sports as only a means to get to the NFL, NBA, etc. that will ultimately destroy the advantages for those students who use this to prepare themselves for other opportunities.

And what about the members of the band, the cheerleaders, student reporters and broadcasters - those that participate in the arts etc. There are a lot of different areas where students obtain scholarships and then participate in activities funded by the university to give them that experience and exposure. Granted that is not bringing in $$'s but it is the same concept.
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Yeah but 18 year olds aren't expected to abide by contracts; they have no idea what they are signing.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
They've tried and are trying to get an Antitrust Exemption like MLB has..... and possibly either the NFL or NBA has now.

That's in the hands of Congress. One of the "shepherds" for that legislation is Tommy Tuberville, who (not to insult spuds) has the political intelligence of a baked potato.
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Rotten potato?
 
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volfan102455 said:
Tuition must be paid by the athletes that are on scholarship. Books, room and board must be accounted for. I suspect that many of the athletes also go through the financial aid process to obtain other forms of aid that is available to them as a student. The universities would be crazy to not allow that to happen as the non-athlete is allowed to obtain that aid on top of any scholarship money they may receive.
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That’s a different discussion entirely than tuition going up to pay for contracts for athletes.

If they are applying for the same aid packages the the criteria will be the same as it is for everyone else. Grades, need, etc. I don’t really see this as a problem in the grand scheme of this discussion.

Mind you I’m not saying contracts are a good thing for athletics, but the notion it would impact the academic side/your tax dollars/your tuition cost/your student aid, I don’t think is valid.
 
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turbovol said:
Yes, just let everybody cheat rampantly and don't worry about it. What a solution that would have been. Every sport needs boundaries. The NCAA's rules were fine; it simply didn't have enough manpower or resources to enforce them. It probably should have delegated that to the conferences.
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The NCAA allowed players to have jobs but eventually they stopped them. And as as far as booster paying players I guarantee it was going on to some degree in the 60,70 and 80’s. It was in the 80’s the NCAA began to tighten down on booster involvement. All I was saying is the NCAA wasn’t equipped to fairly take on that challenge which lead to uneven penalties being leveled at different universities. I am all for rules and we absolutely need a governing body. I think eventually the portal and the ways a player can transfer are going to have to be addressed. There is no good reason 95 percent of the time for a player on a 4 year scholarship to need to transfer over 2 times. After 2 times you should have to give the governing body a special circumstance for it.
 
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Woodlawn VOL said:
The NCAA allowed players to have jobs but eventually they stopped them. And as as far as booster paying players I guarantee it was going on to some degree in the 60,70 and 80’s. It was in the 80’s the NCAA began to tighten down on booster involvement. All I was saying is the NCAA wasn’t equipped to fairly take on that challenge which lead to uneven penalties being leveled at different universities. I am all for rules and we absolutely need a governing body. I think eventually the portal and the ways a player can transfer are going to have to be addressed. There is no good reason 95 percent of the time for a player on a 4 year scholarship to need to transfer over 2 times. After 2 times you should have to give the governing body a special circumstance for it.
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I agree multiple transfers without restrictions is crazy and the NCAA had a rule about that but seven states sued, including Tennessee BTW, because that's a violation of Antitrust Law.

Currently, they're winning and the NCAA backed down for now.

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