Transfer Portal is a disaster

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For those of you who think the TP and NIL is a great idea, let’s discuss how crappy it’s become in just 2.5 years. We have gone from players wanting some money shares for jersey sales and player cards signings for money to pay for play and basically uncontrolled free agency! Bowl season was laughable with players opting out during the game. Starting QBs for new years six games transferring out. Now Quinshon from Mississippi has left and he’s leaving what I feel a very real contender for the Natty next year.

If we don’t get some sort of overseeing body on this soon, college football will not survive!

Thoughts?
 
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Also it seems many players will get left out with nowhere to go from the portal and their previous school may have filled their slot. Not to mention a fouled up transcript that does not get close to a B.S. degree at multiple universities. Some teams may pick up players late in the game as PWOs who were not offered much or anything from the portal process - and then they are available on the cheap.
 
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But it’s what everyone said we should do - pay the players. And everyone said we should let them transfer whenever they want for any reason they want and not have to sit out. Well, now we have the consequences of the masses getting what they wanted and it’s a giant mess and it’s ruining the sport
 
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For those of you who think the TP and NIL is a great idea, let’s discuss how crappy it’s become in just 2.5 years. We have gone from players wanting some money shares for jersey sales and player cards signings for money to pay for play and basically uncontrolled free agency! Bowl season was laughable with players opting out during the game. Starting QBs for new years six games transferring out. Now Quinshon from Mississippi has left and he’s leaving what I feel a very real contender for the Natty next year.

If we don’t get some sort of overseeing body on this soon, college football will not survive!

Thoughts?
It’s an absolute abortion
 
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But it’s what everyone said we should do - pay the players. And everyone said we should let them transfer whenever they want for any reason they want and not have to sit out. Well, now we have the consequences of the masses getting what they wanted and it’s a giant mess and it’s ruining the sport
The NCAA didn't start NIL because "the masses wanted it." The courts were coming after them.

The same with the transfer rules. It's the courts that are about to stop the restrictions on transfers.

It sucks. The NCAA sucks for not trying to work this out before it got to the point where the courts basically told them: You're screwed and your business model isn't legal.
 
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Lol y’all are so dramatic college football not going anywhere it will just look different and adapt… i love that the players are getting paid it’s long overdue it will work itself out it’s still brand new… I’m excited to have coach heup in the new era of college football.
 
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But it’s what everyone said we should do - pay the players. And everyone said we should let them transfer whenever they want for any reason they want and not have to sit out. Well, now we have the consequences of the masses getting what they wanted and it’s a giant mess and it’s ruining the sport
I never said pay the players. Dumbest crap we’ve ever done!
 
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Lol y’all are so dramatic college football not going anywhere it will just look different and adapt… i love that the players are getting paid it’s long overdue it will work itself out it’s still brand new… I’m excited to have coach heup in the new era of college football.
What boxing said in the 70s and early 80s. It nearly disappeared. NASCAR is the same. Keep thinking it!!!

This mess has happened in less than 3 years and no one is stepping in to stop it. Hell the coaches are even saying it’s a disaster!
 
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The NCAA didn't start NIL because "the masses wanted it." The courts were coming after them.

The same with the transfer rules. It's the courts that are about to stop the restrictions on transfers.

It sucks. The NCAA sucks for not trying to work this out before it got to the point where the courts basically told them: You're screwed and your business model isn't legal.
The NCAA leadership must have thought it was invincible. Now they are essentially nothing more than a party-planning committee, and the major conferences had the foresight to consolidate (well, they also had tv network motivation as well $$$). The conferences will reign supreme and the ncaa will probably dissolve, eventually.
 
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For those of you who think the TP and NIL is a great idea, let’s discuss how crappy it’s become in just 2.5 years. We have gone from players wanting some money shares for jersey sales and player cards signings for money to pay for play and basically uncontrolled free agency! Bowl season was laughable with players opting out during the game. Starting QBs for new years six games transferring out. Now Quinshon from Mississippi has left and he’s leaving what I feel a very real contender for the Natty next year.

If we don’t get some sort of overseeing body on this soon, college football will not survive!

Thoughts?
There’s nothing really to oversee on NIL unless they decide to share revenue and make athletes employees.
 
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It will sort itself out. Give it 2-3 years. The imbalances will find resistance limits. Any static system will take time to find a new equilibrium when the forces in that system change drastically. I think it actually will have a tendency to balance out the talent across many more schools. Instead of Alabama and Georgia lining their bench with 5 stars that feel stuck, they will go where they can play. A win for everyone except Bama and Georgia.
 
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It will sort itself out. Give it 2-3 years. The imbalances will find resistance limits. Any static system will take time to find a new equilibrium when the forces in that system change drastically. I think it actually will have a tendency to balance out the talent across many more schools. Instead of Alabama and Georgia lining their bench with 5 stars that feel stuck, they will go where they can play. A win for everyone except Bama and Georgia.
I think you may be right. Ultimately it could lead to more parity and less stockpiling of talent.
 
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The NCAA leadership must have thought it was invincible. Now they are essentially nothing more than a party-planning committee, and the major conferences had the foresight to consolidate (well, they also had tv network motivation as well $$$). The conferences will reign supreme and the ncaa will probably dissolve, eventually.
There's still no good solution to NIL and wholesale transfer. It's not a positive sign.

When the courts declare athletes employees, it will really suck. It'll be impossible maintain the "student" aspect of a "student athlete" who is deemed to be a person employed as an athlete by the school.

Schools are not going to want to be in the pro sports business, nor should they be.
 
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For those of you who think the TP and NIL is a great idea, let’s discuss how crappy it’s become in just 2.5 years. We have gone from players wanting some money shares for jersey sales and player cards signings for money to pay for play and basically uncontrolled free agency! Bowl season was laughable with players opting out during the game. Starting QBs for new years six games transferring out. Now Quinshon from Mississippi has left and he’s leaving what I feel a very real contender for the Natty next year.

If we don’t get some sort of overseeing body on this soon, college football will not survive!

Thoughts?
For those of us that loved the game as it was, it’s a disaster. Let’s look at the situation as it stands.

Many have said the NCAA needs to do something, set limits, do away with transfers. The NIL situation is where it is today because the NCAA was stubborn and overreaching. If they had allowed for reasonable stipends that were more commiserate with a players worth, we might not be in this mess.

The court case that began this is now the law of the land and there’s only one solution and absolutely no one wants to go there.

No one can set a persons value in the marketplace. That’s how the free enterprise system works and that ship left the dock when the court ruled.

Currently, there is another case that would punish the NCAA for forbidding students from being paid directly by the schools. There is also provision in the suit for a 4 year reach back that would compensate players from 2019 till the time the case is settled. In antitrust cases that’s a thing. Schools could be forced to go back from the time the original case was ruled. Imagine the cost of that.

The reason no one wants this is the only way limits can be enforced is if that case won and players become employees. Then, players would organize and then collective bargaining could enforce caps because the players would have agreed to it when they voted on it. The reason no one wants this is because if a collective bargaining entity negotiated caps, they are bound by law to fairly negotiate for all employees. So kids who are getting pennies now would be earning a substantial living wage. The schools don’t want it. The marquee players don’t want it. Yet fans keep clamoring for it and it would be far more worse than the system that is now in place. I wish there was a way to set caps. It would level the playing ground for lesser programs and stop the bidding wars for the best players but the court ruling basically castrated the NCAA when it comes to enforcement. The last thing the NCAA needs is to get involved in another losing lawsuit. Enforcing caps without players being employees with collective bargaining is a great big lawsuit loss for the NCAA. Another loss of that magnitude and the NCAA may as well fold their tent.
 
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College football will adapt and survive. The very early days of college football saw “ringers” which were essentially paid mercenaries not even affiliated with the schools they played for. CFB adapted.

This type of situation happened again when the battle over offering scholarships for football players came to a head in the mid-20th century. That’s why the Ivy League schools (which dominated the sport in the early days) ultimately slipped from CFB prominence.

The NIL & Transfer portal are not unlike challenges that have already happened before in this sport.

College Football will adapt, and will survive. Arguably, NIL/transfer portal creates more parity and the expanded playoff makes CFB more relevant for more teams and more fans.
 
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Coaches hated the forward pass too. The pass was brought in to slow down the number of deaths college football had. Later, because teams like TN and Alabama had so many scholarship players it was decided that there had to be a limit to the number of scholarships a team could give out, etc. Then the pesky overtime and then instant replay. College football has always evolved.
 
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College football will adapt and survive. The very early days of college football saw “ringers” which were essentially paid mercenaries not even affiliated with the schools they played for. CFB adapted.

This type of situation happened again when the battle over offering scholarships for football players came to a head in the mid-20th century. That’s why the Ivy League schools (which dominated the sport in the early days) ultimately slipped from CFB prominence.

The NIL & Transfer portal are not unlike challenges that have already happened before in this sport.

College Football will adapt, and will survive. Arguably, NIL/transfer portal creates more parity and the expanded playoff makes CFB more relevant for more teams and more fans.
Funny. I was typing almost same thing.
 
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But it’s what everyone said we should do - pay the players. And everyone said we should let them transfer whenever they want for any reason they want and not have to sit out. Well, now we have the consequences of the masses getting what they wanted and it’s a giant mess and it’s ruining the sport
Not everyone said it, I don't agree with it at all.
 
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The only question to ask is the current state of college football helping or hurting the Vols.

I think the answer is that it has helped immensely but maybe that answer changes in the upcoming years.
 
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If we don’t get some sort of overseeing body on this soon, college football will not survive!

Thoughts?

We had an overseeing body. It was called the NCAA, and it did pretty okay at creating a competitive environment for student athletes, but people decided to blame it for everything. People hated it, legislators threatened it, hell, the Supreme Court told it that it was looking forward to killing it off.

Now that college football is wallowing in the muddy filth of this purely profit oriented cesspool -- now, suddenly -- people are clamoring for oversight again. It's beyond entertaining. What is the expression? "You've made your bed, now lie in it." Every time I see someone say "oh they need to impose this restriction" ... who are they kidding? Any attempt to create boundaries will be sued into oblivion. There is no going back. The bed has been made.
 
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The NCAA didn't start NIL because "the masses wanted it." The courts were coming after them.

The same with the transfer rules. It's the courts that are about to stop the restrictions on transfers.

It sucks. The NCAA sucks for not trying to work this out before it got to the point where the courts basically told them: You're screwed and your business model isn't legal.
The ncaa should have said we cannot control what boosters do with their money along time ago. If boosters wanted to give kids money they simply should have let them. If boosters wanted to give athletes jobs they should have been allowed. They still had to pass and the NCAA had plenty other things they could have worried about. Instead they tried to be Barney Fife and try to police every little thing but they forgot they weren’t in Mayberry. Now all of it has blown up on them, and they caused it all.
 

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