Trade Wars and Tariffs

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Yes it is. For example that site took credit for onshoring semiconductor capacity initiated under the 2022 CHIPS act which I replied to you earlier on.

There’s still trillions in other investments. Like pharma?

Is “initiated” committed of executed?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Well if Trump’s White House site claims it…

For example, Apple says they will have 600 billion in US spending over 4 years. Their annual US spending prior to 2025 was over 140B a year....

 

[NorthDallas40]

There’s still trillions in other investments. Like pharma?

Is “initiated” committed of executed?

Oh the admin has done some good on pharma. There was a discussion this morning on the GLP-1 costs for Medicare that’s great.

However the stupidity that is collectively these tariffs and the ridiculous basis used by the admin is not one of those “good things” and no amount of water carrying will change that.

Again that’s calling balls and strikes on what is good and bad and I’ll encourage you again to try it sometime

 

[NorthDallas40]

For example, Apple says they will have 600 billion in US spending over 4 years. Their annual US spending prior to 2025 was over 140B a year....

Oh you’ve done it now

Like said I didn’t even click on it. I knew it was

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Oh you’ve done it now

Like said I didn’t even click on it. I knew it was

John Deere investing $20B over 10 years. Their domestic capex has been over 2B since FY21...

 

[CobbVol]

Ok I’ll take your word for it. I didn’t even look at it since from previous postings of that site here it’s obvious

For example you can likely still find the announcement of the method used to calculate the initial tariffs which are an abuse of basic algebra and even the author of the source they referenced said they did it wrong.

I may be mistaken, but I thought your stance is about the tariff %’s and little to no focus on the foreign non-trade barriers and domestic investment. I may have you confused with another poster.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Oh you’ve done it now

Like said I didn’t even click on it. I knew it was

Libtard...

There is investment for sure but incremental investments/jobs are best measure...

 

[NorthDallas40]

I may be mistaken, but I thought your stance is about the tariff %’s and little to no focus on the foreign non-trade barriers and domestic investment. I may have you confused with another poster.

I might be. I have been an outspoken critic of baseless nature of these idiot tariffs regardless of context. You did ping me on non trade barriers but my stance remained that the emergency powers basis is wrong and the tariff evaluation methodology is laughable 3rd grade math.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Libtard...

There is investment for sure but incremental investments/jobs are best measure...

I’d lump the whole exercise up to the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Tariffs are a better alternative to military based sanctions.

Building supply chains that prevent the US from ever being dependent on non-domestic sources is strategically necessary.

Investments in US manufacturing creates jobs.

The economic impact isn’t the only factor.

BTW, Biden nearly doubled the tariff on Canadian lumber. Trump’s not the only POTUS to use tariffs as a component of his policy.

Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Announces “Fair and Reciprocal Plan” on Trade

THE “FAIR AND RECIPROCAL PLAN”: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed a Presidential Memorandum ordering the development of a comprehensive plan for

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[LouderVol]

Tariffs are a better alternative to military based sanctions.

Building supply chains that prevent the US from ever being dependent on non-domestic sources is strategically necessary.

Investments in US manufacturing creates jobs.

The economic impact isn’t the only factor.

BTW, Biden nearly doubled the tariff on Canadian lumber. Trump’s not the only POTUS to use tariffs as a component of his policy.

Fact Sheet: President Donald J. Trump Announces “Fair and Reciprocal Plan” on Trade

THE “FAIR AND RECIPROCAL PLAN”: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed a Presidential Memorandum ordering the development of a comprehensive plan for

www.whitehouse.gov

there are better, and Constitutional, ways to do each of those.

Trump chose tariffs to act tuff and pretend like he got something done. long enough for the system to catch up to him and stop him, where he will play the victim so his followers will complain about "activist" judges.

 

[LSU-SIU]

there are better, and Constitutional, ways to do each of those.

Trump chose tariffs to act tuff and pretend like he got something done. long enough for the system to catch up to him and stop him, where he will play the victim so his followers will complain about "activist" judges.

I think its moot as he could seize the money via sanctions but not sure that is the direction they are going to go. There are other provisions that are allowed as well statutorily although the limits would be lower.

It would be better if Congress did their job but therein lies the problem or one of the problems with the country.

 

[NorthDallas40]

there are better, and Constitutional, ways to do each of those.

Trump chose tariffs to act tuff and pretend like he got something done. long enough for the system to catch up to him and stop him, where he will play the victim so his followers will complain about "activist" judges.

It remains to be seen on whether the system will stop him or not but right now it sure looks like at least a simple majority vote should be easily achievable

 

[Sudden Impact]

No matter how you choose to phrase it tariffs are a tax on US consumers. Tariffs are collected and the government is the end recipient. It's a Trump curveball vs a fastball which was expected. His way of thinking.

 

[Sudden Impact]

It remains to be seen on whether the system will stop him or not but right now it sure looks like at least a simple majority vote should be easily achievable

Congress giving up control/power of the purse will not happen I don't care what you think.
Enough is Enough --- It all sounds good when he tells it, but it ain't all that.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Congress giving up control/power of the purse will not happen I don't care what you think.
Enough is Enough --- It all sounds good when he tells it, but it ain't all that.

I’m not advocating for that. Right now this isn’t up to Congress and frankly they’ve passed the buck to SCOTUS to deal with it. To me it’s clear that SCOTUS should kill all of these emergency powers based tariffs.

 

[volfanhill]

there are better, and Constitutional, ways to do each of those.

Trump chose tariffs to act tuff and pretend like he got something done. long enough for the system to catch up to him and stop him, where he will play the victim so his followers will complain about "activist" judges.

I'm already annoyed at the thought of how many posters are going to use the stupid term “lawfare”

 

[MontyPython]

I'm already annoyed at the thought of how many posters are going to use the stupid term “lawfare”

"Lawfare Terrorists" seems more apropos.

Hope they avoid boating trips in the Caribbean.

 

[SquirrelOrange3]

No matter how you choose to phrase it tariffs are a tax on US consumers. Tariffs are collected and the government is the end recipient. It's a Trump curveball vs a fastball which was expected. His way of thinking.

Sadly, I know lots of people who believe foreign countries are paying the tariffs and "money is rolling in" because their political cult leaders keep repeating it, when the tariffs are the biggest tax increase on Americans in many years.

 

[BeardedVol]

Income redistribution MAGA style.

Trump promises $2,000 check for every American thanks to tariffs

The president made the exciting announcement on Sunday morning - blasting those people who hated on his tariff strategy as 'fools.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MontyPython]

THE LIES

November 10, 2025 (Truth Social and Oval Office remarks): Trump wrote and said that a negative SCOTUS ruling would trigger an "unwind" exceeding $3 trillion in investments, returns, and funds, which "would not be possible to ever make up for... It would truly become an insurmountable National Security Event, and devastating to the future of our Country - Possibly non-sustainable!" He described it as an "economic and national security disaster."

REALITY

Total customs duties (the category dominated by tariffs) for Fiscal Year 2025 (October 1, 2024–September 30, 2025) reached a record $195 billion, more than tripling the $77 billion collected in FY 2024. This surge equates to a $118 billion increase attributable to the new tariffs

YET TRUMP WANTS TO REFUND $600 BILLION TO US

President Donald Trump's proposal to send Americans $2,000 rebate checks from money collected through his tariffs is projected to cost $600 billion.

So to sum:

(1) Trump says it would be an "economic and national security disaster" if SCOTUS forces him to refund the extra tariff money collected to date;

(2) Those tariffs have amounted to an extra $118 billion in taxes; yet

(3) Trump *wants* to give us all $600 billion back. $482 billion dollars more than what's been collected. $482 billion dollars more than what our country would have to pay back if SCOTUS shoots his tariffs down.

Ergo, Trump is knowingly and willfully *trying* to create an "economic and national security disaster" that would be 4 x worse than the purported disaster when he loses in court.

STABLE. GENIUS.

 

[BeardedVol]

THE LIES

November 10, 2025 (Truth Social and Oval Office remarks): Trump wrote and said that a negative SCOTUS ruling would trigger an "unwind" exceeding $3 trillion in investments, returns, and funds, which "would not be possible to ever make up for... It would truly become an insurmountable National Security Event, and devastating to the future of our Country - Possibly non-sustainable!" He described it as an "economic and national security disaster."

REALITY

Total customs duties (the category dominated by tariffs) for Fiscal Year 2025 (October 1, 2024–September 30, 2025) reached a record $195 billion, more than tripling the $77 billion collected in FY 2024. This surge equates to a $118 billion increase attributable to the new tariffs

YET TRUMP WANTS TO REFUND $600 BILLION TO US

President Donald Trump's proposal to send Americans $2,000 rebate checks from money collected through his tariffs is projected to cost $600 billion.

So to sum:

(1) Trump says it would be an "economic and national security disaster" if SCOTUS forces him to refund the extra tariff money collected to date;

(2) Those tariffs have amounted to an extra $118 billion in taxes; yet

(3) Trump *wants* to give us all $600 billion back. $482 billion dollars more than what our country would have to pay back if SCOTUS shoots his tariffs down.

STABLE. GENIUS.


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Those $2000 checks will arrive right after the $5000 DOGE rebate checks arrive.

 

[n_huffhines]

Those $2000 checks will arrive right after the $5000 DOGE rebate checks arrive.

Remember when we were told by other VN posters that we couldn't have those rebate checks because we were pointing out DOGE's warts? Good times.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

THE LIES

November 10, 2025 (Truth Social and Oval Office remarks): Trump wrote and said that a negative SCOTUS ruling would trigger an "unwind" exceeding $3 trillion in investments, returns, and funds, which "would not be possible to ever make up for... It would truly become an insurmountable National Security Event, and devastating to the future of our Country - Possibly non-sustainable!" He described it as an "economic and national security disaster."

REALITY

Total customs duties (the category dominated by tariffs) for Fiscal Year 2025 (October 1, 2024–September 30, 2025) reached a record $195 billion, more than tripling the $77 billion collected in FY 2024. This surge equates to a $118 billion increase attributable to the new tariffs

YET TRUMP WANTS TO REFUND $600 BILLION TO US

President Donald Trump's proposal to send Americans $2,000 rebate checks from money collected through his tariffs is projected to cost $600 billion.

So to sum:

(1) Trump says it would be an "economic and national security disaster" if SCOTUS forces him to refund the extra tariff money collected to date;

(2) Those tariffs have amounted to an extra $118 billion in taxes; yet

(3) Trump *wants* to give us all $600 billion back. $482 billion dollars more than what's been collected. $482 billion dollars more than what our country would have to pay back if SCOTUS shoots his tariffs down.

Ergo, Trump is knowingly and willfully *trying* to create an "economic and national security disaster" that would be 4 x worse than the purported disaster when he loses in court.

STABLE. GENIUS.


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95% of these "investments" are companies taking their historical cap ex or other spending totals, summing up those totals, and multiplying by a number of years.....

For example, Deere has spent 2-2.5b in domestic cap ex the past 4 years. They are now going to spend $20B over the next 10...

 

[hog88]

THE LIES

November 10, 2025 (Truth Social and Oval Office remarks): Trump wrote and said that a negative SCOTUS ruling would trigger an "unwind" exceeding $3 trillion in investments, returns, and funds, which "would not be possible to ever make up for... It would truly become an insurmountable National Security Event, and devastating to the future of our Country - Possibly non-sustainable!" He described it as an "economic and national security disaster."

REALITY

Total customs duties (the category dominated by tariffs) for Fiscal Year 2025 (October 1, 2024–September 30, 2025) reached a record $195 billion, more than tripling the $77 billion collected in FY 2024. This surge equates to a $118 billion increase attributable to the new tariffs

YET TRUMP WANTS TO REFUND $600 BILLION TO US

President Donald Trump's proposal to send Americans $2,000 rebate checks from money collected through his tariffs is projected to cost $600 billion.

So to sum:

(1) Trump says it would be an "economic and national security disaster" if SCOTUS forces him to refund the extra tariff money collected to date;

(2) Those tariffs have amounted to an extra $118 billion in taxes; yet

(3) Trump *wants* to give us all $600 billion back. $482 billion dollars more than what's been collected. $482 billion dollars more than what our country would have to pay back if SCOTUS shoots his tariffs down.

Ergo, Trump is knowingly and willfully *trying* to create an "economic and national security disaster" that would be 4 x worse than the purported disaster when he loses in court.

STABLE. GENIUS.


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Can you post links to your rants instead of copying and pasting other peoples work?