Trade Wars and Tariffs

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LSU-SIU said:
All this mentality illness behavior stopped working a long time ago, I'm actually trying to help you. Don't worry, 3+ years you can tell us how everything is suppose to work as you elect the next dementia patient.

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"Mentality illness"

Jesus Christ...
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Lol just got a warning email from a supplier stating that due to the China tariffs they will be 100% passing any economic impacts directly thru to their customers. Any PO’s invoiced in the near future will include payment of any anticipated tariffs up front. LMAO 😂
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Interesting since you are a defense contractor.
 
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NCFisher said:
Good grief; he did that, meeting with Trudeau in November and conversed with Scheinbaum in late November. He laid it out and wanted immediate action.
Now they understand what immediate means, which is not months of floundering and posturing.
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What you describe is simply not true. No actions have been accelerated. On Saturday, Trump says there is nothing that can be done by Canada to avoid tariffs. Then, the market quivers and we agreed to about 13% more expenditure on the border and he agrees to delay illegal tariffs. That 13% is fairly trivial so you basically get what was already offered but by taking an approach that has shocked the market, and mobilized a country to avoid buying American products (about $430b exported Canada in 2022) or travel to the US (about $20b per year). So unnecessary
 
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WebbCobb said:
What you describe is simply not true. No actions have been accelerated. On Saturday, Trump says there is nothing that can be done by Canada to avoid tariffs. Then, the market quivers and we agreed to about 13% more expenditure on the border and he agrees to delay illegal tariffs. That 13% is fairly trivial so you basically get what was already offered but by taking an approach that has shocked the market, and mobilized a country to avoid buying American products (about $430b exported Canada in 2022) or travel to the US (about $20b per year). So unnecessary
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Y'all aren't going to stop buying American or traveling to America, inside every Canadian is an American wanting to breath free.
 
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BeardedVol said:
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www.forbes.com

Tariff On Canada Not Justified By U.S. Immigration And Drug Claims

Evidence suggests that the justification for a 25 percent import tariff on Canadian goods and services does not hold up to scrutiny. Here is why.
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Yeah I don't think there's any reality where one can honestly argue that ~24,000 border crossings and 43 lbs of fentanyl warrants a 25% tariff on imports, and destroying a long-standing alliance with a neighbor country.
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It didn't and wouldn't destroy anything, in an alliance of economic dependency in which Canada can be a better neighbor.

Canada has a burgeoning cartel presence trafficking opioids and humans. That 43 lbs is a lethal dose for 9.8M people. Rather than minimizing it alongside southern seizures, we should recognize that as a disgraceful state of the Mexican border created by decades of dereliction. And that Mexico is certainly not a good neighbor, in yet another alliance of economic dependence. And that we're not willing to tolerate a Mexico North.

How much opioid and human trafficking is tolerable to you, that is, the point at which you think "okay, now we do something"?
 
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WebbCobb said:
What you describe is simply not true. No actions have been accelerated. On Saturday, Trump says there is nothing that can be done by Canada to avoid tariffs. Then, the market quivers and we agreed to about 13% more expenditure on the border and he agrees to delay illegal tariffs. That 13% is fairly trivial so you basically get what was already offered but by taking an approach that has shocked the market, and mobilized a country to avoid buying American products (about $430b exported Canada in 2022) or travel to the US (about $20b per year). So unnecessary
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I would suggest listening to the Orange man or not. He clearly is right above the target.
 
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hog88 said:
Interesting since you are a defense contractor.
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“Defense” can mean several different markets. This particular product is targeting both lower performance US as well as export markets. We have the latitude to use materials sourced off shore. Once you start playing the COTS game a lot of material comes from off shore to stay cost competitive. Plus in this case it isn’t the material directly bought from this supplier which is an electric motor using rare earth minerals. It is their cost for their material sourced offshore. China has a huge strangle hold on the whole rare earth mineral market.
 
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hog88 said:
Y'all aren't going to stop buying American or traveling to America, inside every Canadian is an American wanting to breath free.
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It’s spelled breathE. And, I love Americans and you have a great country. But I’m also happy where I am and who I am. We are proudly independent and that should be kept firmly in mind
 
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WebbCobb said:
It’s spelled breathE. And, I love Americans and you have a great country. But I’m also happy where I am and who I am. We are proudly independent and that should be kept firmly in mind
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Are you?

Canada isn't some innocent lamb.

What the Orange man has suggested up to this point seems to make sense as a generalization. What is clearly happening on one level is the ones that were doing the U.S.'s evil work are going to be the ones targeted. The remaining world leaders who were either directly or indirectly will most probably be targeted.
 
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hog88 said:
Y'all aren't going to stop buying American or traveling to America, inside every Canadian is an American wanting to breath free.
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Nice.

I think the people of Canada and Mexico should wake up every morning, face America, and say thank you. Because if we acted like a Superpower from centuries ago, we would take their country and do whatever the heck we wanted with them. Who would stop us? Europe? China? Russia?

Nah.
 
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NCFisher said:
It didn't and wouldn't destroy anything, in an alliance of economic dependency in which Canada can be a better neighbor.

Canada has a burgeoning cartel presence trafficking opioids and humans. That 43 lbs is a lethal dose for 9.8M people. Rather than minimizing it alongside southern seizures, we should recognize that as a disgraceful state of the Mexican border created by decades of dereliction. And that Mexico is certainly not a good neighbor, in yet another alliance of economic dependence. And that we're not willing to tolerate a Mexico North.

How much opioid and human trafficking is tolerable to you, that is, the point at which you think "okay, now we do something"?
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And yet it's still 1% of the total fentanyl trafficked into the united states. It's never going to be 0. Just like the human tracking is also never going to be 0 . Improvements on any of these issues can and should be accomplished without trying to beat the American consumer to death with increased costs for Canadian goods, and damaging the long-term relationship that we have with Canada.

Having a friendly nation that shares a 5,500 mile long border with us, and isn't inclined to work with enemy nations like China and Russia is worth more than far more than the ego of a president who doesn't even know who pays the tariffs that he wants to apply.
 
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WebbCobb said:
It’s spelled breathE. And, I love Americans and you have a great country. But I’m also happy where I am and who I am. We are proudly independent and that should be kept firmly in mind
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Canada has never been independent.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
“Defense” can mean several different markets. This particular product is targeting both lower performance US as well as export markets. We have the latitude to use materials sourced off shore. Once you start playing the COTS game a lot of material comes from off shore to stay cost competitive. Plus in this case it isn’t the material directly bought from this supplier which is an electric motor using rare earth minerals. It is their cost for their material sourced offshore. China has a huge strangle hold on the whole rare earth mineral market.
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Yeah, we as a nation failed by allowing China to dominate the REM market. Shortsightedness at it's best.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Nice.

I think the people of Canada and Mexico should wake up every morning, face America, and say thank you. Because if we acted like a Superpower from centuries ago, we would take their country and do whatever the heck we wanted with them. Who would stop us? Europe? China? Russia?

Nah.
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They are simply being brought to the new principle's office. There is no reason to feel bad for them. The remaining leaders who were directly or indirectly targeting Orange probably won't make it much longer. Lots of them are already gone but quite a few left in Europe.

Canada has been there all along working with the U.S. during all these times. They're not innocent.
 
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hog88 said:
Yeah, we as a nation failed by allowing China to dominate the REM market. Shortsightedness at it's best.
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Yep! SOME of us were screaming about this decades back!

I think it was McCain that authored legislation blocking the use of Chinese rare earth metals used in most defense direct use markets? So that insures a source of material but comes with a cost adder too. Once you start playing the Commercial Off The Shelf game and looking at export market you look at offshore sourced material. You can use the exact same supplier and just pivot to a different product line built or material sourced from offshore.
 
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WebbCobb said:
What you describe is simply not true. No actions have been accelerated. On Saturday, Trump says there is nothing that can be done by Canada to avoid tariffs. Then, the market quivers and we agreed to about 13% more expenditure on the border and he agrees to delay illegal tariffs. That 13% is fairly trivial so you basically get what was already offered but by taking an approach that has shocked the market, and mobilized a country to avoid buying American products (about $430b exported Canada in 2022) or travel to the US (about $20b per year). So unnecessary
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The conversations certainly happened, so that's true.
And it's true they've had about 2 months to agree to terms.
Now, Trudeau and Sheinbaum aren't hemming & hawing any longer about the demands, but have agreed and been given 30 days grace to make it happen or substantial progress; we don't know exactly. But the point is clear; "I have four years and a lot to get done. Be a buddy and help me out".
The 'markets' banked on the usual diplomatic BS and did not expect Trump to act for many weeks or months; they choose poorly.

Yeah...let Russia and China start planting flags in your Arctic backyard, then talk to me about trade and travel. It's not that we mind Canada - and the EU and NATO itself - being under our protective umbrella and saving your own dollars for every frivolity that your governments fancy, but a little appreciation would be nice. Such as willfully and promptly helping mind the border

Thanks!
 
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Orangeburst said:
dont we have the REMs but environmental regs are the biggest impediment?
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We have some deposits but it’s economics driven. It’s cheaper to go offshore than dig on US soil I think. And it could be driven by regulatory requirements I don’t really know.

Below is an overview of the legislation I was referring to

www.miningnewsnorth.com

Pentagon funding bans China rare earths

Ucore Rare Metals Inc. Aug. 14 said the John S. McCain National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2019 signed into law by President Donald Trump is a turning point for the rare earth element sector in the United States. The new legislation, more commonly known as the 2019 National...
www.miningnewsnorth.com
 
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LouderVol said:
NIMBY more so than the direct regulations. pretty much every single project gets tied up in court cases that can take years/decades to resolve.
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sounds like hell of a plan..move away from oil and rely on CCP for electrification. Smart.
 
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