Tourism to the US is cratering

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Vol8188 said:
Can you provide me more info? I’ve not seen those stories. Only the college visa kids
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For searching phones, there’s the French scientist that had his phone searched and prevented from entering dur to anti Trump content. Then it was reported they were searching phones at US pre clearance in Ireland.

Then of course there is the issue with prospective visitors being detained for minor issues: Tourists detained by ICE say they were treated like 'the worst criminal'

These stories are probably due to incompetence and not representative of most visitors. But they’re certainly enough to make people reconsider, and other countries are already issuing travel alerts.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
So the rest of the world is a buncha poons…. Who cares?
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Tennessee does. Travel and tourism is like 2.5% of our total income and something like 4% of jobs. In 2023, International visitors spend $640M in TN.

Just pulling off the sales tax there, that's a 12M or so hole in the budget if the 20% drop figure sticks. While 12m isn't a huge part of the overall budget, it IS a big deal to whatever programs get cut back as a result.

Now, the direct jobs is a whole other deal. Say that results in a 20% reduction in staffing for tourism-specific companies. That's almost 40,000 Tennesseans out of work.

So yeah, it's a big deal.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
International tourism.
And it has very little impact
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I imagine the impact to those in the service industry, to towns that are tourism-focused, etc is more than "a little".

It's easy to ignore the real impact on people when you reduce them to a decimal point.
 
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hndog609 said:
So just so we're clear your argument is that there are a bunch of businesses in this country that survive/fail based on French/German/British/etc tourism?

See, if I wanted to go to X restaurant and couldn't get a table because German was there that's no loss to to the restaurant if the German wasn't there because I would be. If a business in a country of 340 million needs people crossing oceans to stay in business I have to wonder about their business model.
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To an extent, yes. Businesses need volume. They're not living on big margins. Small hits equal major problems.
 
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jwells said:
Tennessee does. Travel and tourism is like 2.5% of our total income and something like 4% of jobs. In 2023, International visitors spend $640M in TN.

Just pulling off the sales tax there, that's a 12M or so hole in the budget if the 20% drop figure sticks. While 12m isn't a huge part of the overall budget, it IS a big deal to whatever programs get cut back as a result.

Now, the direct jobs is a whole other deal. Say that results in a 20% reduction in staffing for tourism-specific companies. That's almost 40,000 Tennesseans out of work.

So yeah, it's a big deal.
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Just to make sure I understand your claim here.

A 20% reduction in foreign tourism to Tennessee will result in a workforce reduction of 40,000.

Using these numbers, 200,000 Tennesseans are engaged in foreign tourism businesses. That may be correct, but it sounds like a lot. Checking a site or two, that is about 6,000 more than total direct tourist jobs in the state.
 
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"We don't need no forun turists, noways. 'Murica is for 'muricans" - this board's 3-toothed contingent

 
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evillawyer said:
International visitors spent nearly $213.1 billion on U.S. travel and tourism-related goods and services year last year (January through December 2023), an increase of nearly 29 percent when compared to 2022; international visitors injected, on average, nearly $584 million a day into the U.S. economy during 2023.

That's higher than the gdp of several of your goober states.
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According to USA Today foreign arrivals dropped around 4.4% between January and March. Where are the "cratering" numbers coming from?
 
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evillawyer said:
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granted its a very small set of data they are providing but there are several consistencies that the tweet doesn't reference.

1. most of them were on a trend down anyway
2. there was a jump up in late 2024, and early 2025

I also question why their "year over year" doesn't use the same month as the baseline. If they are using March 2025, it should compared to March 2024, not Feb 2024, and if they go back to 2023, why June?

the different scales, most go to 20%, but Asia goes up to 80%, and Europe only to 10%. if you want to present fair data, it needs to actually be equal.

not questioning their conclusion, but I do question how they present it.
 
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A different perspective ...

From the article:

The United States is gearing up for a major tourism boom in 2025, with international visitor numbers expected to reach 77.1 million, according to the latest National Travel and Tourism Office (NTTO) forecast.

This marks a 6.5% increase from 2024, signaling strong global demand for travel to the U.S.

ftnnews.com

2025 Will Be Huge for U.S. Tourism—How High Will Visitor Numbers Go? - Focus on Travel News

The U.S. is about to see a major tourism boom—but just how many visitors will arrive in 2025? Get the latest forecast and trends shaping industry.
ftnnews.com ftnnews.com
 
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Maybe the fact that our currency is turning into the peso will bring the European tourists back. Does cheap fascism appeal to people though?

 
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CobbVol said:
A different perspective ...

From the article:

The United States is gearing up for a major tourism boom in 2025, with international visitor numbers expected to reach 77.1 million, according to the latest National Travel and Tourism Office (NTTO) forecast.

This marks a 6.5% increase from 2024, signaling strong global demand for travel to the U.S.

ftnnews.com

2025 Will Be Huge for U.S. Tourism—How High Will Visitor Numbers Go? - Focus on Travel News

The U.S. is about to see a major tourism boom—but just how many visitors will arrive in 2025? Get the latest forecast and trends shaping industry.
ftnnews.com ftnnews.com
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Trump crashing the USD does make visiting the US cheaper for foreigners. But ICE's treatment of visitors is putting many off coming.
 
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