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Jxn Vol said:
Hard to hide from numbers.

It would be cool to see the shooting rates of illegals when the illegals are not here anymore. I bet it would be minuscule. You think?
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There’s no numbers for it, so it was a silly question to start with.
But undocumented immigrants in general commit significantly less violent crimes than citizens and if we apply those same numbers then ICE agents (per capita) are involved in more shootings as well
 
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Smokey123 said:
There’s no numbers for it, so it was a silly question to start with.
But undocumented immigrants in general commit significantly less violent crimes than citizens and if we apply those same numbers then ICE agents (per capita) are involved in more shootings as well
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If the illegals were not here how many crimes would they commit on US soil? I’m pretty sure it would be low.

Again, they are illegal. So their presence here is actually….well illegal. You can say undocumented all you want but they are illegal. Just like you can call a dude a woman. But they are still a dude.

It’s not that hard. It’s actually black and white just because in the past we didn’t enforce the laws doesn’t mean that the laws are not on the books.
 
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Jxn Vol said:
If the illegals were not here how many crimes would they commit on US soil? I’m pretty sure it would be low.

Again, they are illegal. So their presence here is actually….well illegal. You can say undocumented all you want but they are illegal. Just like you can call a dude a woman. But they are still a dude.

It’s not that hard. It’s actually black and white just because in the past we didn’t enforce the laws doesn’t mean that the laws are not on the books.
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I’m referring to your original question
 
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Smokey123 said:
There’s no numbers for it, so it was a silly question to start with.
But undocumented immigrants in general commit significantly less violent crimes than citizens and if we apply those same numbers then ICE agents (per capita) are involved in more shootings as well
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This is a misnomer.

100% of Illegal Immigrants commit some form of crime.

Illegal immigrants may murder or rape or assault at the same level of US citizens, but the fact is that they by far commit more crimes (including DUI, Driving without license, identity theft, tax fraud, forgery, leaving the scene of accident, theft, drug charges, burglary, public intoxication, child porn, even molestation of children that aren't included in the "violent crime" statistics) than the average US citizen.

Check out Knox County's jail records for reference, there are roughly 1,000 estimated illegal immigrants (not counting homeless) in Knox County and they make up almost 40-50% of the jail population there. That's not counting the ones already deported by ICE
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
This is a misnomer.

100% of Illegal Immigrants commit some form of crime.

Illegal immigrants may murder or rape or assault at the same level of US citizens, but the fact is that they by far commit more crimes (including DUI, Driving without license, identity theft, tax fraud, forgery, leaving the scene of accident, theft, drug charges, burglary, public intoxication, child porn, even molestation of children that aren't included in the "violent crime" statistics) than the average US citizen.

Check out Knox County's jail records for reference, there are roughly 1,000 estimated illegal immigrants (not counting homeless) in Knox County and they make up almost 40-50% of the jail population there. That's not counting the ones already deported by ICE
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Immigrants in the country illegally are also much less likely to report violent crimes committed against them, making them fantastic targets for other unlawful immigrants who have bad intentions on Friday nights after cash work payday.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
This is a misnomer.

100% of Illegal Immigrants commit some form of crime.

Illegal immigrants may murder or rape or assault at the same level of US citizens, but the fact is that they by far commit more crimes (including DUI, Driving without license, identity theft, tax fraud, forgery, leaving the scene of accident, theft, drug charges, burglary, public intoxication, child porn, even molestation of children that aren't included in the "violent crime" statistics) than the average US citizen.

Check out Knox County's jail records for reference, there are roughly 1,000 estimated illegal immigrants (not counting homeless) in Knox County and they make up almost 40-50% of the jail population there. That's not counting the ones already deported by ICE
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I said violent crime bcuz his original question was about shootings.

Why look at just Knox county when you can look at the country? Illegal immigrants are incarcerated at almost half the rate (per 100k) of what citizens are

Go ahead and show any data that they commit more crimes
 
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Smokey123 said:
I said violent crime bcuz his original question was about shootings.

Why look at just Knox county when you can look at the country? Illegal immigrants are incarcerated at almost half the rate (per 100k) of what citizens are

Go ahead and show any data that they commit more crimes
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"incarcerated" is also a misnomer when in several large Blue cities and states, they don't jail people for most crimes or release them immediately with low bail, and they don't hold them for ICE like most counties/states do.

There may be 25,000 illegal immigrants who have committed a variety of crimes in Los Angeles or NYC but have never once been in jail for them

For the record I don't believe that illegals commit shootings more than US citizens at all because Black Americans by far skew those stats
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
"incarcerated" is also a misnomer when in several large Blue cities and states, they don't jail people for most crimes or release them immediately with low bail, and they don't hold them for ICE like most counties/states do.

There may be 25,000 illegal immigrants who have committed a variety of crimes in Los Angeles or NYC but have never once been in jail for them
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You’re the one who brought it up dude
 
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Smokey123 said:
You’re the one who brought it up dude
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Yea because you said that illegals committed crime per capita less than citizens and that's just not the case.

100% of illegal immigrants commit some type of crime (actually I should say 99.9% because a small few are just the "overstaying the student visa" which is actually a civil offense)
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So you do recognize that illegals commit more crimes as a population?
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If you include illegal entries than yes. If you’re talking about the crimes committed while here (like you did) then no. There’s no data to suggest that. Do you have any? Other than bringing up Knox county jail that literally has a contract to house ICE detainees
 
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Smokey123 said:
If you include illegal entries than yes. If you’re talking about the crimes committed while here (like you did) then no. There’s no data to suggest that. Do you have any? Other than bringing up Knox county jail that literally has a contract to house ICE detainees
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They only house detainees that are arrested or picked up for other charges, Knox Co Sheriff and KPD aren't going door to door to look for illegals, they find them doing criminal activities
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
They only house detainees that are arrested or picked up for other charges, Knox Co Sheriff and KPD aren't going door to door to look for illegals, they find them doing criminal activities
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I never said they go door to door.

So I’ll take it you have no data to suggest illegal immigrants commit more crime while here?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
yes illegal immigrants are almost at 100% at committing crimes which is why they are illegal, US citizens are not...hope that helps
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Weird I didn’t know illegal entry was the same as DUI, Driving without license, identity theft, tax fraud, forgery, leaving the scene of accident, theft, drug charges, burglary, public intoxication, child porn, even molestation of children.
Just say you’re full of sh!t and move on
 
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Smokey123 said:
Weird I didn’t know illegal entry was the same as DUI, Driving without license, identity theft, tax fraud, forgery, leaving the scene of accident, theft, drug charges, burglary, public intoxication, child porn, even molestation of children.
Just say you’re full of sh!t and move on
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Is it a crime or not?
 
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