Too much ice

[appvol]

 

[RockyTop85]

The complaint really can’t be …..”it’s too hard to follow the law to enforce the law”

Again the protesters are wasting time on the wrong people.
Leave ice alone and get after the dipsticks writing the laws.

I don’t think that’s the argument, either.

“The law” creates an administrative process for determining whether someone is allowed to stay in the country.

If that administrative determination ticks the due process boxes, then it seems constitutionally reasonable to detain people (for whom the process has run its course and the final determination is that they can’t stay) for the limited purpose of removal.

What I’ve described is “following the law” and it seems excessively cumbersome to require judicial oversight on the front end of that detention, especially when they can sue DHS and obtain judicial review of the administrative process in their specific case.

It’s something different to say that this administrative process determined that person A can’t stay so the government can therefore go into homes looking for Person A. You need a connection between the home/property and the individual and it seems like the dummies working for ICE can’t do that reliably.

 

[MAD]

More people have died under Mamdani’s watch than ICE.

16 homeless Americans froze to death during a NYC snowstorm under the
so-called warmth of collectivism.

Protests?
Anyone?

 

[Smokey123]

More people have died under Mamdani’s watch than ICE.

16 homeless Americans froze to death during a NYC snowstorm under the
so-called warmth of collectivism.

Protests?
Anyone?

32 people died in ice custody last year

 

[RockyTop85]

More people have died under Mamdani’s watch than ICE.

16 homeless Americans froze to death during a NYC snowstorm under the
so-called warmth of collectivism.

Protests?
Anyone?

Did the government of New York create the snowstorm?

 

[MAD]

Did the government of New York create the snowstorm?

Mamdani’s new plan for the homeless is what happened.

 

[RockyTop85]

Mamdani’s new plan for the homeless is what happened.

Unless he locked all the doors to the shelters, then it seems like personal responsibility happened.

 

[RockyTop85]

Unless he locked all the doors to the shelters, then it seems like personal responsibility happened.

Google says NYC has a homeless population > 100k.

I don’t know anything about Mamdani but if it’s the government’s responsibility to get people to come inside out of the cold, 99,984/100,000 seems like a win, not a loss.

 

[MAD]

Unless he locked all the doors to the shelters, then it seems like personal responsibility happened.

 

[MAD]

Google says NYC has a homeless population > 100k.

I don’t know anything about Mamdani but if it’s the government’s responsibility to get people to come inside out of the cold, 99,984/100,000 seems like a win, not a loss.

Mamdani specifically ended homeless sweeps because he thought it was more empathetic to ask mentally ill homeless people to make a rational choice to go to a shelter rather than force them & save their lives.

 

[RockyTop85]

Mamdani specifically ended homeless sweeps because he thought it was more empathetic to ask mentally ill homeless people to make a rational choice to go to a shelter rather than force them & save their lives.

I can’t believe anybody other than the most hardcore progressives are criticizing him for that.

 

[BreatheUT]

Wow. You actually trust some Uber driver to bring you food?

That special mayonnaise sauce on his sandwich is a secret recipe.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

Wow. You actually trust some Uber driver to bring you food?

The whole idea of uber eats/grub hub is wild to me.

 

[BreatheUT]

Remember when progressive democrats said those racist border patrol agents on horseback were beating Haitians. Their lying game is as good as the mullahs in Iran.

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Set-up the crisis then when someone works on the fix, cry foul. Genius.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Oh wow, bet the lefties ignore this.
What a little p***y to call that man that, knowing you can’t be touched without extreme repercussions for that Ice Agent.

It's okay when they say it.

 

[RavinDave]

Speaking of retarded: I was in Columbia Tn late last week. Passed by a house with a political message hand painted on a bed sheet. The message, "Jesus was an immigrant".

I thought about it a lot more than the genius who decided to broadcast their thoughts via bedding. Jesus wasn't an immigrant. He was born in a town in Israel. Lived his life and ministered in Israel. As God in the flesh, he is also a citizen of Heaven.

I expect more thoughtful discourse via sheets.

Yes, we need more Lenin on linen.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Another secret Chinese biolab found on US soil? | Blaze Media

The Chinese national linked to both labs is set for trial.

www.theblaze.com

 

[rekinhavoc]

FRAUD: Almost 20% of All Medicare Home Healthcare Spending Is in ONE County

Discover how LA County accounts for 18% of Medicare home healthcare spending amidst rising fraud concerns.

hotair.com

"The fraud being exposed in California is INSANE

- 18% of THE WHOLE COUNTRY’S home health care billing is coming out of Los Angeles County

- One doctor billed the government $120 million in a single year claiming to oversee 1,900 patients

- With almost 2,000 hospice agencies, Los Angeles County has more than 36 states combined and 30X MORE than the whole state of Florida and New York

“How is that possible? And take a look at this map, a cluster of 287 hospice providers, in a two-mile radius, some in strip malls, unmarked buildings, even a wrecking yard and vacant lot. All of it is just paperwork. I could fill that out in Kazakhstan if I want and get a hospice license waiting for me.”

 

[Sandman 423]

Unless he locked all the doors to the shelters, then it seems like personal responsibility happened.

Changing policy to Let mentally ill people exercise "personal responsibility" to stay on the streets in sub zero weather may not have been a wise decision.

 

[Orange_Crush]

 

[Rickyvol77]

Unless he locked all the doors to the shelters, then it seems like personal responsibility happened.

He is the first mayor in 20 years to not have police sweep up the homeless to keep them out of snowstorms. Thus more died this one storm than in an entire year in NYC in a decade

 

[Rickyvol77]

I can’t believe anybody other than the most hardcore progressives are criticizing him for that.

His decisions directly led to people dying, to which other mayors didn't allow like that

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don’t think that’s the argument, either.

“The law” creates an administrative process for determining whether someone is allowed to stay in the country.

If that administrative determination ticks the due process boxes, then it seems constitutionally reasonable to detain people (for whom the process has run its course and the final determination is that they can’t stay) for the limited purpose of removal.

What I’ve described is “following the law” and it seems excessively cumbersome to require judicial oversight on the front end of that detention, especially when they can sue DHS and obtain judicial review of the administrative process in their specific case.

It’s something different to say that this administrative process determined that person A can’t stay so the government can therefore go into homes looking for Person A. You need a connection between the home/property and the individual and it seems like the dummies working for ICE can’t do that reliably.

If I understand you correctly then I absolutely agree that “the dummies in ice” need the same search/arrest warrant to enter someone’s home in order to remove that they would need for any other crime.

I think it’s extremely ironic that anyone would advocate for not needing a legitimate warrant and jeopardizing the rights of innocent citizens in order to enforce broken immigration laws.

However the irony is not lost on me of those doing the opposite……wanting ice to follow the law but not local authorities to protect illegals.

 

[tim]

 

[RockyTop85]

Changing policy to Let mentally ill people exercise "personal responsibility" to stay on the streets in sub zero weather may not have been a wise decision.

He is the first mayor in 20 years to not have police sweep up the homeless to keep them out of snowstorms. Thus more died this one storm than in an entire year in NYC in a decade

His decisions directly led to people dying, to which other mayors didn't allow like that

Ok, so the conservative position is that the government is supposed to override individual autonomy to prevent death and do so with a level of service that is better than 99.984% effective.

I have a feeling you guys might have felt differently about these types of things… oh say five years ago.