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Orangeslice13 said:
The complaint really can’t be …..”it’s too hard to follow the law to enforce the law”

Again the protesters are wasting time on the wrong people.
Leave ice alone and get after the dipsticks writing the laws.
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I don’t think that’s the argument, either.

“The law” creates an administrative process for determining whether someone is allowed to stay in the country.

If that administrative determination ticks the due process boxes, then it seems constitutionally reasonable to detain people (for whom the process has run its course and the final determination is that they can’t stay) for the limited purpose of removal.

What I’ve described is “following the law” and it seems excessively cumbersome to require judicial oversight on the front end of that detention, especially when they can sue DHS and obtain judicial review of the administrative process in their specific case.

It’s something different to say that this administrative process determined that person A can’t stay so the government can therefore go into homes looking for Person A. You need a connection between the home/property and the individual and it seems like the dummies working for ICE can’t do that reliably.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Unless he locked all the doors to the shelters, then it seems like personal responsibility happened.
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Google says NYC has a homeless population > 100k.

I don’t know anything about Mamdani but if it’s the government’s responsibility to get people to come inside out of the cold, 99,984/100,000 seems like a win, not a loss.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Google says NYC has a homeless population > 100k.

I don’t know anything about Mamdani but if it’s the government’s responsibility to get people to come inside out of the cold, 99,984/100,000 seems like a win, not a loss.
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Mamdani specifically ended homeless sweeps because he thought it was more empathetic to ask mentally ill homeless people to make a rational choice to go to a shelter rather than force them & save their lives.
 
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MAD said:
Mamdani specifically ended homeless sweeps because he thought it was more empathetic to ask mentally ill homeless people to make a rational choice to go to a shelter rather than force them & save their lives.
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I can’t believe anybody other than the most hardcore progressives are criticizing him for that.
 
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McDad said:
Speaking of retarded: I was in Columbia Tn late last week. Passed by a house with a political message hand painted on a bed sheet. The message, "Jesus was an immigrant".

I thought about it a lot more than the genius who decided to broadcast their thoughts via bedding. Jesus wasn't an immigrant. He was born in a town in Israel. Lived his life and ministered in Israel. As God in the flesh, he is also a citizen of Heaven.

I expect more thoughtful discourse via sheets.
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Yes, we need more Lenin on linen.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t think that’s the argument, either.

“The law” creates an administrative process for determining whether someone is allowed to stay in the country.

If that administrative determination ticks the due process boxes, then it seems constitutionally reasonable to detain people (for whom the process has run its course and the final determination is that they can’t stay) for the limited purpose of removal.

What I’ve described is “following the law” and it seems excessively cumbersome to require judicial oversight on the front end of that detention, especially when they can sue DHS and obtain judicial review of the administrative process in their specific case.

It’s something different to say that this administrative process determined that person A can’t stay so the government can therefore go into homes looking for Person A. You need a connection between the home/property and the individual and it seems like the dummies working for ICE can’t do that reliably.
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If I understand you correctly then I absolutely agree that “the dummies in ice” need the same search/arrest warrant to enter someone’s home in order to remove that they would need for any other crime.

I think it’s extremely ironic that anyone would advocate for not needing a legitimate warrant and jeopardizing the rights of innocent citizens in order to enforce broken immigration laws.

However the irony is not lost on me of those doing the opposite……wanting ice to follow the law but not local authorities to protect illegals.
 
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