Too much ice

[Majors]

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That post has you triggered. Don’t fault me for pointing out you can’t play victim when you throw things at federal
agents.

 

[MercyPercy]

They feared for their lives there - VN apologists

 

[NorthDallas40]

What happened after that is what's significant. Unless ICE is pulling the trigger in that photo it means nothing.

LMAO ok. When you see that image for the next 10 months during the election cycle just repeat your post to yourself

 

[jp1]

My understanding is that courts have upheld pepper spray when people are obstructing officers, and when they have initiated physical contact of officers. I guess we'll see if this agent is disciplined?



I'm not implying. I suspect that it will. I clearly stated so.

Disciplined or not, not sure what purpose his use of the pepper spray is. I believe they have a job that is important/needed, but dang quit making things harder by inflaming the situation beyond what it already is.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Can you provide a case where pepper spray was deemed permissible for simply touching an officer? What was he obstructing?

No. You began this discussion with vagueness. Can you provide the court orders you mentioned, and the standards they've given?

But no comments about unlawfully using pepper spray on him? The courts have ruled multiple times against excessive force

The most I have for you ATM is this. Shall we just have an AI war and do battle in the gray areas of ignorance?



It'll be interesting to see how the court weighs in on this, if they do at all. The agent was engaged with one person when another physically engaged him from behind. I suspect the court will view pepper spray as appropriate response.

I also don’t see a touch here

The touch is clear from other angles. I've posted a screenshot of it here.

 

[Smokey123]

Many people have been charged with assaulting a law enforcement officer for simply touching one and I’m pretty sure that there’s no restrictions on using pepper spray when being assaulted.

Courts have ruled it unconstitutional if there’s not a threat. They would have to say pretti was a threat

 

[Smokey123]

No. You began this discussion with vagueness. Can you provide the court orders you emntioned?



The most I have for you ATM is:

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It'll be interesting see how the court weighs in on this, if they do at all. The agent was engaged with one person when another physically engaged him from behind. I suspect the court will view pepper spray as appropriate response.


The touch is clear from other angles. I've posted a screenshot of it here.

I wasn’t vague. Baker vs Katehi, Wilkins vs Tulsa, headwater vs Humboldt, Tatum v Robinson, cause v leyshock, the getzen case. Plenty more

Was he actively resisting and evading detention when he was pepper sprayed?

The angles where you can’t actually see contact because it’s an obstructed view? The video I posted in the best angle

And also what was he obstructing? An arrest? Why wasn’t the girl arrested then?

 

[Delmar]

LMAO ok. When you see that image for the next 10 months during the election cycle just repeat your post to yourself

Yep. Another reason why I think Trump and his minions are going to do everything they can to make this go away as quickly as possible so that folks move on to the next bright shiny object and quit talking about this. The longer it festers, the worse the administration looks. Federal grand jury may get fast tracked.

 

[Sudden Impact]

“I don’t like that he had 2 fully loaded magazines that’s some very bad stuff”

But yet he said nothing about how he felt about protestors guns on Jan 6.
Cake tastes good and bad just depends on purpose and who it supports.
Both events scream guns by protesters.
Both incited by one common denominator --- Trump's direction, wants and needs.
Two different Trump views and assessments that meet his needs.
No Accountability, no remorse, just thoughts of a mentally unstable individual.
Melania would do a better job.

 

[Delmar]

But yet he said nothing about how he felt about protestors guns on Jan 6.
Cake tastes good and bad just depends on purpose and who it supports.
Both events scream guns by protesters.
Both incited by one common denominator --- Trump's direction, wants and needs.
Two different Trump views and assessments that meet his needs.
No Accountability, no remorse, just thoughts of a mentally unstable individual.
Melania would do a better job.

He didn’t have any issues with Kyle Rittenhouse either.

 

[hog88]

Courts have ruled it unconstitutional if there’s not a threat. They would have to say pretti was a threat

I think it's a pretty silly argument, no cop is going to be charged or disciplined for pepper spraying someone who touched them in a confrontation.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I think it's a pretty silly argument, no cop is going to be charged or disciplined for pepper spraying someone who touched them in a confrontation.

Woosh! Your comment indicates that went over your head. You are half right, but bigger eggs to fry than the pepper spray. After the incident, the ICE Agent refused to disengage after he got him to the sidewalk. Aggression beyond the requirement.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I wasn’t vague. Baker vs Katehi, Wilkins vs Tulsa, headwater vs Humboldt, Tatum v Robinson, cause v leyshock, the getzen case. Plenty more

You were vague per the standard. Looks like you gave a partial list sourced via AI. What specific standard of was either referenced or established in those cases? What specific legal standard of "excessive" will he be held to? It seems like then we could discuss.

Was he actively resisting and evading detention when he was pepper sprayed?

The agent perceived being physically engaged, having put him as engaged with two people. Again, what specific legal standard of "excessive" are we judging by? You have failed to provide, so... again... We're debating AI results.

The angles where you can’t actually see contact because it’s an obstructed view? The video I posted in the best angle

That was in no way the best angle. He clearly made physical contact with the agent.

And also what was he obstructing? An arrest? Why wasn’t the girl arrested then?

Probably in the excitement of him having just been shot. What a stupid question.


Again, what is the legal definition of "excessive", and then we can debate. Like I said, if you can provide it, I may even agree with you.

 

[Redleg68]

Woosh! You comment indicates that went over your head. You are half right, but bigger eggs to fry than the pepper spray. After the incident, the ICE Agent refused to disengage after he got him to the sidewalk. Aggression beyond the requirement.

Lay your hands on a cop in a hostile manner and he has no requirement to disengage until you are handcuffed and in the back of a patrol car or paddy wagon.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I think it's a pretty silly argument, no cop is going to be charged or disciplined for pepper spraying someone who touched them in a confrontation.

Especially when they perceive that they are engaged with two people at once, having been initially engaged by one of them from behind.

 

[Smokey123]

I think it's a pretty silly argument, no cop is going to be charged or disciplined for pepper spraying someone who touched them in a confrontation.

The point isnt if he should be charged for it or not. People are looking for ways to justify the unarmed murder of a man by pointing out things that lead up to it. When it’s very debatable if all of it was even lawful in the first place.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Unhinged Virginia nurse who encouraged colleagues to inject ICE agents with paralytic drug is swiftly fired​

An unhinged Virginia nurse who encouraged medical professionals to drug ICE agents with paralytic meds was swiftly canned.

Malinda Cook, a nurse anesthetist at Virginia Commonwealth University Health, was fired by the hospital on Tuesday after she spewed the disturbing remarks in a spate of TikTok videos.

Cook, who was identified by local media, blasted out her so-called “sabotage” tactics as anti-ICE riots exploded across the country.

Unhinged Virginia nurse Malinda Cook was fired after encouraging medical professionals to drug ICE agents with paralytic meds.

“Sabotage tactic, or at least scare tactic. All the medical providers, grab some syringes with needles on the end,” the nurse said on one clip spreading on social media.


“Have them full of saline or succinylcholine, you know, whatever. Whatever. That will probably be a deterrent. Be safe,” she added, referring to the fast-acting anesthetic that causes temporary paralysis.

Unhinged nurse who encouraged colleagues to inject ICE agents with paralytic drug is swiftly fired

An unhinged Virginia nurse was busted encouraging medical professionals to drug ICE agents with paralytic meds.

nypost.com

 

[apevol]

Complete Dbag. Imagine being dumb enough to believe the Socialism/Communism utopia lie in 2026.

Fuentes is not a communist by any measure

 

[NorthDallas40]

Fuentes is not a communist by any measure

I’ve always just viewed him as more of an ignorant unintelligent bigoted moron.

 

[Smokey123]

You were vague per the standard. Looks like you gave a partial list sourced via AI. What specific standard of was either referenced or established in those cases? What specific legal standard of "excessive" will he be held to? It seems like then we could discuss.



The agent perceived being physically engaged, having put him as engaged with two people. Again, what specific legal standard of "excessive" are we judging by? You have failed to provide, so... again... We're debating AI results.



That was in no way the best angle. He clearly made physical contact with the agent.

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Probably in the excitement of him having just been shot. What a stupid question.


Again, what is the legal definition of "excessive", and then we can debate. Like I said, if you can provide it, I may even agree with you.

The Court has recognized that the lawful stop and arrest powers of a police officer "necessarily" include "the right to use some degree of physical coercion or threat thereof[.]‍" The Court has stressed, however, that the permissibility of an officer's use of force in a given situation must—as the text of the Fourth Amendment suggests—be "reasonable." The reasonableness requirement in the use-of-force context aligns with the Court's overall observationthat "the ultimate touchstone of the Fourth Amendment is 'reasonableness.'"

The Court has characterized the "reasonableness" standard as one that "is not capable of precise definition or mechanical application." Rather, the Court has said that determining whether a use of force is "reasonable" is a case-dependent assessment, requiring a balancing of "the nature and quality of the intrusion on the individual's Fourth Amendment interests against the importance of the governmental interests alleged to justify the intrusion." This judicial balancing will depend on "the facts and circumstances of each particular case[.]‍"

Beyond this general reasonableness requirement, the Supreme Court has announced some specific principles that lower courts employ to guide their assessment of the reasonableness of both lethal and nonlethal uses of force by police officers. First, reasonableness is judged"from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight." In other words, the constitutional calculus must allow "for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments—in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving[.]‍"

Second, the reasonableness inquiry is an objective one, meaning that the appropriateness of a use of force is gaugedby what is "'objectively reasonable' in light of the facts and circumstances confronting" an officer. As such, the officer's "underlying intent or motivation" is irrelevant. The Court has also identified several factors to be included in the assessment of the facts and circumstances surrounding a particular use of force: (1) "the severity of the crime at issue," (2) "whether the suspect poses an immediate threat to the safety of the officers or others," and (3) whether the suspect "is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight."

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB11336

 

[Sudden Impact]

Lay your hands on a cop in a hostile manner and he has no requirement to disengage until you are handcuffed and in the back of a patrol car or paddy wagon.

Cell phone in hand and police officers are firm but not aggressive.
The ICE agents use of pepper spray is aggressive, Pushing a woman is aggressive.
He is not a cop he is an ICE agent.
ICE is provoking this situation by stepping out of bounds with the protestors.
Law Enforcement not the same as ICE.
Watch the full video not the parts that support your side.
ICE and Cops are two different creatures.
Easy solution, just arrest him and put him in jail and in front of a judge.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

In the meantime w/the Minneapolis liberal clown show that's put on by Walz and Frey.

 

[apevol]

I’ve always just viewed him as more of an ignorant unintelligent bigoted moron.

another in a long line of grifters edgelording about things they don't begin to comprehend gunning for clicks

 

[RockyTop85]

Bro, VN is so much better when you put people on ignore. The officer "engaged" the woman, but Alex "assaulted" the officer.

He's begging you to put him on ignore.

Second this.

You can bypass all the “old person discovers twitter for the first time” posts and the “shove the gays back in the closet” type posts.

 

[NorthDallas40]

another in a long line of grifters edgelording about things they don't begin to comprehend gunning for clicks

Me or Fuentes or both?