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NorthDallas40 said:
I think it’s safe to say her political career is over. Would the image rehab effort really be worth it? She’s still exposed as largely unintelligent and she’s pretty much alienated forever every pet owner in the country
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I wouldn't hold a grudge over the pet thing. Everyone has a mispeak in public during their career. Crockett has them all the time. But, she should have known to steer clear of this job. If she had aspirations for higher offices, she took the wrong position as a stepping stone. She could have done a spectacular job, even in this admin, and it would still be the wrong position for upward political aspirations. She was quite likeable before she made the move.
 
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GVF said:
I wouldn't hold a grudge over the pet thing. Everyone has a mispeak in public during their career. Crockett has them all the time. But, she should have known to steer clear of this job. If she had aspirations for higher offices, she took the wrong position as a stepping stone. She could have done a spectacular job, even in this admin, and it would still be the wrong position for upward political aspirations. She was quite likeable before she made the move.
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Well she actually put it in a book. That has a much longer hang time but you can’t unring that bell even with her saying it was edited out. On the position she took I do agree. Had she been merely competent it still doesn’t resonate across the board. In fact one might infer that this appointment was already an indication of her political zenith being in the rear view mirror. Couple that with the absolutely abysmal performance she’s exhibited and she’s done.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Well she actually put it in a book. That has a much longer hang time but you can’t unring that bell even with her saying it was edited out. On the position she took I do agree. Had she been merely competent it still doesn’t resonate across the board. In fact one might infer that this appointment was already an indication of her political zenith being in the rear view mirror. Couple that with the absolutely abysmal performance she’s exhibited and she’s done.
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Unlike Gabbard who has taken her new position and seemingly been intelligent (or lucky) enough to keep herself out of the headlines while doing her job.
 
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GVF said:
Unlike Gabbard who has taken her new position and seemingly been intelligent (or lucky) enough to keep herself out of the headlines while doing her job.
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Eh Tulsi hasn’t wowed me much in her current role either you hear most of what she should be saying coming from Rubio. But yeah she hasn’t hurt herself like Noem for sure.

Right now the star I think is Rubio. Much moreso than Vance even. If he can manage to stay out of the blast radius of any major admin gaffs he’s in a great position. Like in this current fiasco I haven’t seen a single connection to any excuses from Rubio. They might exist but I haven’t seen them yet.
 
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ETV said:
He wasn’t compliant while 5 officers were trying to get control of him.
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Even if we assume that is an accurate statement, he was still not in possession of a weapon when he was shot in the back, and murdered.

At what point did "non-compliance" become the standard for allowing deadly force to be used by federal agents?
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Eh Tulsi hasn’t wowed me much in her current role either you hear most of what she should be saying coming from Rubio. But yeah she hasn’t hurt herself like Noem for sure.

Right now the star I think is Rubio. Much moreso than Vance even. If he can manage to stay out of the blast radius of any major admin gaffs he’s in a great position. Like in this current fiasco I haven’t seen a single connection to any excuses from Rubio. They might exist but I haven’t seen them yet.
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Totally agree. And if they shut Rubio down in the primaries and force Vance, the GOP won't win the oval ring again for quite some time. I've been all Rubio this admin for the next election. And I hope he runs. I was planning on him getting my vote if he does. And he will have to win that primary knowing Trump will back Vance, and when/if he decides to primary against him, it will be 2016 all over again between Rubio and Trump. In a fair fight, I think Rubio would take Vance all the way. Vance is in a tough spot. And overall has done well considering. But, you can pretty well cherry pick the moments he is having to give trumps speech as his own. He just needs to maintain his own space enough so as to be able to separate himself at some point. He's managed that decently and still be the trump veep, but not perfectly. I could have gone dem vote with Gabbard. She did have some stances I couldn't go all in on, but she was imo, a pretty moderate dem to sway my vote then as a moderate rightie. But, hillary got butthurt over the threat of her and ousted her. I think she's more playing her cards tightly at the moment than anything else. She's very cautious not to wave the trump flag too high like noem has done.
 
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ETV said:
He wasn’t compliant while 5 officers were trying to get control of him.
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This could by itself be a completely legit observation and have possibly led to more charges being leveled against him later. The problem is the "later" part was taken out when he was shot multiple times when the apparent evidence suggests he was no longer armed. That's a real problem.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Even if we assume that is an accurate statement, he was still not in possession of a weapon when he was shot in the back, and murdered.

At what point did "non-compliance" become the standard for allowing deadly force to be used by federal agents?
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Fair point. A good beating, even a mild one, would have been sufficient from a non-compliance view point. Goode was wrong all day long, and it happened. In this guys case, excessive force should end when perp is controlled. This is a totally different scenario, and admiitedly I have followed very little of it, so my comment is strictly from a common sense deduction without having viewed much at all of this incident. Even if he did have a side arm, was it on him during the take down, and did he go for it. THat would be my first question not having followed this shooting for various reasons. He could very well be a repeat militant agitator that has had run-ins with ICE already, but at this moment if unarmed, yeah big problem. Hostile take down and gain of control. No loss of life. No problem.

Won't agree this guy was right by any means in his activities, but once you are unarmed and have no possession of lethal threat it changes the end game.
 
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utvolpj said:
Previous incident without details really has no relevance. Especially when his death was captured on multiple camera from multiple angles
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It does not absolve ICE from responsibility. The point here is that if you obstruct ICE from doing its work, you take a chance that you may lose your life. It'd have been far safer if he'd stayed out of it.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Even if we assume that is an accurate statement, he was still not in possession of a weapon when he was shot in the back, and murdered.

At what point did "non-compliance" become the standard for allowing deadly force to be used by federal agents?
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I’m not going to repeat myself again. You can find my position on this matter in several posts I’ve made.
 
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ETV said:
I’m not going to repeat myself again. You can find my position on this matter in several posts I’ve made.
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And yet, you keep making statements that are completely divorced from reality, in an attempt to create a fantastical narrative where you can openly support a federal agent shooting an unarmed man in the back.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Everyone is shocked that the lady who executed her family pet bc it wasn't a disciplined working dog turned out to be a psycho.
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Seemingly no one in the administration knows how to give a measured response to questions. It's always full on defense as if what they're doing is always justified, blaming others for their missteps
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Seemingly no one in the administration knows how to give a measured response to questions. It's always full on defense as if what they're doing is always justified, blaming others for their missteps
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When you are constantly forced to try to defend the indefensible, the only option is to go on the offense.

Which is why they immediately tried to vilify Alex Pretti as a "domestic terrorist" carrying TWO EXTRA MAGAZINES with intent to murder as many federal agents as he could.
 
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