Too much ice

[Smokey123]

He engaged the agent when the agent pushed a lady down. We don’t have to like the law but that’s a felony. Then he got pushed down and………


None of that changes that he should have been arrested instead of being shot in the back unarmed

Yes slightly touched (the dash cam footage doesn’t rlly show even a touch) not pushed or grabbed and then immediately put his hands up and turned around to the help the women up. People acting like he assaulted an agent or started a fight is ridiculous

 

[appvol]

Not so fast(Lee Corso Voice)

 

[ETV]

If you've actually watched them, then you know that no one yelled "gun" and spooked this supposed 8-year border patrol veteran into drawing his weapon and shooting a man in the back, after he watched him be disarmed.

ICE escalated the engagement with him and the woman that he was trying to help up after the pushed her to the ground.

Yelling “Someone call an ambulance!” “Someone help him, call an ambulance “. All while she’s recording and can easily make the phone call herself. Did she forget her camera has a phone?

 

[85SugarVol]

What’s the point of the 2A if you can’t carry with LE around?

And piss on needing a permit.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

It's pretty ridiculous that some people keep up this defense of federal agents (big government) when people of many different political persuasions are in agreement that you are wrong.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yes slightly touched (the dash cam footage doesn’t rlly show even a touch) not pushed or grabbed and then immediately put his hands up and turned around to the help the women up. People acting like he assaulted an agent or started a fight is ridiculous

It doesn’t matter how physical it was. The agent shoved a lady down. The victim then grabs the agent and gets shoved down too. Interference with the agent at that point is a felony. The law doesn’t care about how we think it should be.

This wasn’t a protest anymore. If you get in the way it’s no longer a protest. The appeals courts have ruled that way too many times to count. The agents were there to serve an arrest warrant. Getting in the way intentionally (interfering) is a felony.

And being guilty of 100 felonies doesn’t mean that the agents get to shoot an unarmed man in the back.

 

[ETV]

He was directing traffic, helpful, not sure what she was doing but maybe did yell something offensive. Iceman bull charged from several feet away to slam her down. Iceman Intent was to cause injury. An ICU nurse, Pretty, instinctly moved to help her and prevent further injury. For those actions he was murdered.

Directing traffic and approaching agents, getting in the middle of something that wasn’t his business.

As I’ve said before, he didn’t deserve what happened to him but the majority replying in this thread are acting as if Pretti was minding his own business and did nothing wrong what so ever.

 

[hog88]

Directing traffic and approaching agents, getting in the middle of something that wasn’t his business.

As I’ve said before, he didn’t deserve what happened to him but the majority replying in this thread are acting as if Pretti was minding his own business and didn’t nothing wrong what so ever.

He was a dumbass but that isn’t a capital crime.

 

[ETV]

It’s disheartening for sure.

But look at the flip side - there are posters in here actively defending open carry that I never in a million years would have envisioned doing so. It’s remarkable.

And honestly, the ones in here crawfishing on 2A now… I never put much stock in their opinion to begin with.

Applying common sense when carrying is crawfishing? SMH.

 

[BeardedVol]

Yelling “Someone call an ambulance!” “Someone help him, call an ambulance “. All while she’s recording and can easily make the phone call herself. Did she forget her camera has a phone?

I'd say she was probably in shock from watching Alex Pretti get executed by agents of her government in front her without cause.

 

[Vol8188]

He was a dumbass but that isn’t a capital crime.

Agreed. It for sure needs to go to a grand jury.

 

[hog88]

It doesn’t matter how physical it was. The agent shoved a lady down. The victim then grabs the agent and gets shoved down too. Interference with the agent at that point is a felony. The law doesn’t care about how we think it should be.

This wasn’t a protest anymore. If you get in the way it’s no longer a protest. The appeals courts have ruled that way too many times to count. The agents were there to serve an arrest warrant. Getting in the way intentionally (interfering) is a felony.

And being guilty of 100 felonies doesn’t mean that the agents get to shoot an unarmed man in the back.

I’ve thought about this post and I’ve got to have some more information before I can agree with you. What did the lady do to justify the officer putting his hands on her? If it was simply being an annoying pest he had no justification and dude stepping in was justified and IMO legal. Just need more information on that.

 

[KptVFL]

Here's the way I look at it.

If i go downtown tonight and insert myself into a guy getting arrested, it might not work out for me. If I'm armed, legal or not, less chance.

It should go to a grand jury and let the legal process play out.

These folks have way more trust in LEOs than me!

 

[swampfoxfan]

Directing traffic and approaching agents, getting in the middle of something that wasn’t his business.

As I’ve said before, he didn’t deserve what happened to him but the majority replying in this thread are acting as if Pretti was minding his own business and did nothing wrong what so ever.

Helping a woman whose just been assaulted isn't wrong in my book.

 

[swampfoxfan]

You are making statements on the shooting as facts aren’t you

My facts are facts.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

My facts are facts.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Sick ICE Goons Counted Bullet Holes in Victim’s Body, Doctor Reveals

New witness testimony suggests that Border Patrol agents did not attempt to perform lifesaving measures after shooting Alex Jeffrey Pretti. Instead, officers appeared to be “counting his bullet wounds,” the 29-year-old pediatrician shared in court filings. The physician’s statement was submitted...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Delmar]

Sounds like the senate is gonna call for a real investigation of the ICU nurse murder. Utah R senator John Curtis is pushing that

Like I said, somebody gittin’ thrown under this Greyhound.

 

[GAVol]

He was a dumbass but that isn’t a capital crime.

That pretty much says it all.

 

[Smokey123]

It doesn’t matter how physical it was. The agent shoved a lady down. The victim then grabs the agent and gets shoved down too. Interference with the agent at that point is a felony. The law doesn’t care about how we think it should be.

This wasn’t a protest anymore. If you get in the way it’s no longer a protest. The appeals courts have ruled that way too many times to count. The agents were there to serve an arrest warrant. Getting in the way intentionally (interfering) is a felony.

And being guilty of 100 felonies doesn’t mean that the agents get to shoot an unarmed man in the back.

He didn’t grab, it’s debatable if he even touched the agent. Which I agree wasn’t wise to get in between but also understandable. A grown man had just shoved a women down right in front of him

If they were interfering why were neither of the women arrested? If they weren’t interfering then they had zero authority to arrest and the shoving and “fight” was initiated by the agent.

 

[ETV]

I'd say she was probably in shock from watching Alex Pretti get executed by agents of her government in front her without cause.

Her state of shock is acceptable, but none of the agents are given any benefit of the doubt here?

Pretti resisting doesn’t matter?
The chaos from other protesters/sh*tbirds interfering?
Whistles and bullhorns in their faces daily?
Highly stressful situations have no bearing?

It’s unfortunate Pretti is dead at the hands of an officer that clearly F’d up, but to act as if Pretti didn’t contribute to this show is absurd.

 

[Smokey123]

Then, by this philosophy, anyone should be able to carry at any and all events. Even in cases where LEO are protecting a high value asset, political figure, etc. I have my 2A right and they can’t deny my rights, regardless of my interactions with them and regardless of consequences.

Simple answer to you question. Before you carry, evaluate the situation before you do. He went to one of the most chaotic flash points in the US right now, carrying a firearm and confronting LEO, where there are hundreds of armed Feds whose anxiety is probably spiked.

Dumb move on Pretti’s part.

You should be allowed to carry everywhere that’s public yes.

Chaotic situations is exactly when I’d want to be armed. You’d want to be defenseless in a situation that’s more likely to need it?

 

[KptVFL]

From the Crowds For Hire CEO!

This is exactly where we're at!

"When anti-ICE activists threaten agents personally, doxx their families, and use their cars to impede them, those actions cause agents to act more aggressively," Swart said. "ICE acting aggressively in turn causes people to act more aggressively toward ICE, perpetuating the cycle."

 

[LouderVol]

ICE is in all the states have arrested and deported 10x the criminals in both FL and TX. Ask yourself why Minneapolis is the only city where violence is happening.

Because that is where ICE is killing civilians with no repercussions or even self examination.

 

[n_huffhines]

Reports are lesbian Hitler is out as ICE commander.