Too much ice

[Pepe_Silvia]

From what I hear, this was not a protest. It was federal agents in the field to apprehend a suspect, and the crowd was there to frustrate and interfere with them doing so. That's a felony. If all of that is true, the man brought a firearm with intent to commit a felony, which is another felony. He then put his hands on a federal agent, which is another felony. All while armed. Which is another felony.

That doesn't mean that the shooting was a legal shooting, but the guy was an idiot who'd apparently been stacking felonies all day.

This is the most retarded logic I can imagine. Dude was legally armed when federal agents descended upon him, de-armed him, and then shot him.

 

[luthervol]

I think both bear most of the responsibility of their deaths. So you are prepared to say that Ashlie Babbitt was murdered? You claimed that Good was murdered.

My claim is that on the "was it murder continuum", Good is closer to the "yes" end than is Babbitt......
but not extremely far apart.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Joey laid it out pretty good. It will go in one ear and out for a lot people. I agree with everything he said.

It was reasonable. So yeah.

 

[hog88]

This is the most retarded logic I can imagine. Dude was legally armed when federal agents descended upon him, de-armed him, and then shot him.

What’s the point of the 2A if you can’t carry with LE around?

And piss on needing a permit.

 

[NorthDallas40]

What’s the point of the 2A if you can’t carry with LE around?

And piss on needing a permit.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Nah, it's trump. trump is the only reason I ever came to the PF.

but I now realize trumpism is going to leave a lot of nastiness in its wake.....long after trump himself is finally gone.

Pales compared to what Soetoro and Puddinhead did though

 

[utvolpj]

No he didn’t he said he wasn’t carrying legally which is a fact if he didn’t have his ID and permit. The fact you can fix it later by providing those to things is good.

It gets dismissed as long as you have a valid one. It's a simple ticket. He's really overstating the impact of not having it on you based on MN law but we know why that is

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

What’s the point of the 2A if you can’t carry with LE around?

And piss on needing a permit.

It totally defeats the purpose of the 2nd amendment. And anybody that supports this **** can send me their guns because they clearly don't understand the point of the 2nd amendment.

 

[NorthDallas40]

It totally defeats the purpose of the 2nd amendment. And anybody that supports this **** can send me their guns because they clearly don't understand the point of the 2nd amendment.

Oh no you don’t you gun grabber you gotta share that loot!!

Shall not be infringed!! … well…of course you need a permit and you have to have it with you…”

 

[utvolpj]

From what I hear, this was not a protest. It was federal agents in the field to apprehend a suspect, and the crowd was there to frustrate and interfere with them doing so. That's a felony. If all of that is true, the man brought a firearm with intent to commit a felony, which is another felony. He then put his hands on a federal agent, which is another felony. All while armed. Which is another felony.

That doesn't mean that the shooting was a legal shooting, but the guy was an idiot who'd apparently been stacking felonies all day.

This doesn't match anything but the govt report. "Being armed at..." is such a ridiculous claim to keep making. Just excuse after excuse

Regardless he was disarmed and then executed by federal agents who will face no charges now that they've been scrubbed and transferred

 

[Orange_Crush]

I think audio would be helpful but as close quarters as it was the video likely won’t add anything to the many video clips we have. And I’d guess any bodycam footage right at the beginning of the encounter will never see the light of day because again the other video just looks so damning.

The tell will be if the victim’s video is released or not. I mean it doesn’t get much more firsthand than that and we all saw the phone in his hand up to the point where he went to the ground.

I suspect, during the wrestling/resisting, an agent saw the gun and yelled "Gun!", another agent, having heard that, saw him make a movement toward his waistband and fired, and then other agents shot at the sound.

 

[Orange_Crush]

This doesn't match anything but the govt report. "Being armed at..." is such a ridiculous claim to keep making. Just excuse after excuse

Regardless he was disarmed and then executed by federal agents who will face no charges now that they've been scrubbed and transferred

I specifically stated that none of that makes it a legal shooting in my view.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I suspect, during the wrestling/resisting, an agent saw the gun and yelled "Gun!", another agent, having heard that, saw him make a movement toward his waistband and fired, and then other agents shot at the sound.

Nothing in your post passes the bar that an agent positive id’d a threat to himself or his fellow agents. That’s the job.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Oh no you don’t you gun grabber you gotta share that loot!!

Shall not be infringed!! … well…of course you need a permit and you have to have it with you…”

Man, this whole thing is so deflating. **** these fake 2A defenders.

 

[InVOLuntary]

My claim is that on the "was it murder continuum", Good is closer to the "yes" end than is Babbitt......
but not extremely far apart.

LOL. Thanks for proving my point. One is justified because they are on the opposite side. One was armed with a 4000# SUV and accelerated toward a policeman. The other was a 140# at best female that posed minimum risk to the cop that shot her. Again, you are a hypocrite. You think Good was justified in breaking the law because she is on your side.

 

[BeardedVol]

I suspect, during the wrestling/resisting, an agent saw the gun and yelled "Gun!", another agent, having heard that, saw him make a movement toward his waistband and fired, and then other agents shot at the sound.

Have you actually watched the plethora of videos?

That's not what happened, and there's no need to speculate.

 

[utvolpj]

Man, this whole thing is so deflating. **** these fake 2A defenders.

We're you really under the impression most of the people here were interested in the Constitution? This place is all big govt party politics. They don't care whose rights are violated as long as their team is doing it

 

[OHvol40]

Not really, he was elected to get rid of illegals. The left somehow thinks this is new.

Ah, by “get rid of illegals” you must mean “murder Americans”. I see your angle.

 

[Smokey123]

Considering how popular anti-police rhetoric is (brought to you by BHO / Biden administration), I can understand why LEO's may be nervous and concerned when a civilian approaches officers with a firearm that's visible and / or open carried. One's body language, interaction and communication with officers goes a long way. In no way is that an indicator on LEO's you deem poorly trained.

If you carry at protests, try not to get involved with LEO. If you do, that needs to be first words from your mouth while you present yourself in a non-threatening manner. Simply complying can go a long way.

I didn’t say they’re poorly trained. I said if carrying a firearm around a LEO is a poor decision than that’s an indictment on them not me. If a cop is uncomfortable because someone has a gun maybe they chose the wrong career

That didn’t answer my question. If being around law enforcement and being at a hostile protest are both bad times to carry, when is the correct time?

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

We're you really under the impression most of the people here were interested in the Constitution? This place is all big govt party politics. They don't care whose rights are violated as long as their team is doing it

No I really wasn't under that impression. I had some hole that it wasn't true but this situation has made it clear that neither side gives a **** about the constitution.

 

[Orange_Crush]

This is the most retarded logic I can imagine. Dude was legally armed when federal agents descended upon him, de-armed him, and then shot him.

Dude was not legally armed if he went there to try to help obstruct federal law enforcement from doing their job. That doesn't mean it was a legal shooting. I hope this goes to a grand jury.

Even if he were carrying legally, it is absolutely idiotic to start fighting with law enforcement when you're armed. It's a recipe for getting shot. All you need is for one agent to yell "Gun!", and all hell can break loose. I suspect that's what happened here.

 

[appvol]

 

[85SugarVol]

It's pretty depressing to see people walk back their support of the 2A just to support the scumbag trump administration.

It’s disheartening for sure.

But look at the flip side - there are posters in here actively defending open carry that I never in a million years would have envisioned doing so. It’s remarkable.

And honestly, the ones in here crawfishing on 2A now… I never put much stock in their opinion to begin with.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Have you actually watched the plethora of videos?

That's not what happened, and there's no need to speculate.

I've watched several, yes. Including what led up to it. He went armed. He had every right to do so. It was stupid. If he indeed went there to participate in impeding federal law enforcement, he took a gun to commit a felony. Bad mojo.

I saw in multiple videos where he actively put his hands on a federal agent, while he was armed. That is absolutely idiotic. All it takes is to fight with one or more law enforcement and them see that you have a gun, and all hell breaks loose.

AGAINI! That does not make this a legal shooting; I pray it goes to a grand jury.

But the guy made so many bad decisions.

 

[Smokey123]

What’s the point of the 2A if you can’t carry with LE around?

And piss on needing a permit.

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