Too much ice

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Vol8188 said:
Idk that he didn’t interfere. I’d like to see more video for sure. I’d like to know why he’s face to face with the officer. Why is he “directing traffic”.

I don’t have a full picture. But he seems to be doing more than peacefully observing.
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Why he's face to face? Are you serious? He didn’t get in officers face,it was the exact opposite. Why did said officer come from 10' away at full charge to knock down the woman?
 
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swampfoxfan said:
Why he's face to face? Are you serious? He didn’t get in officers face,it was the exact opposite.
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Why didn’t he back up? If you’re armed you should avoid conflict with LE. You have a right to be armed. Depending on the circumstances he may have had a right to stand there and not move when directed to do so.

But that doesn’t make it any less stupid.

swampfoxfan said:
Why did said officer come from 10' away at full charge to knock down the woman?
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Agreed. I don’t understand that either.
 
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MercyPercy said:
There are Police auditors all over the country.
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Within departments, usually administrative desk jobs. Employed by a municipality and given certain levels of authority to document and report on officers and possible misconduct.

That’s not even in the same realm to what the current protestors want in MN.
 
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MercyPercy said:
Damn, guess they both deserved to die. Case closed.

I don't think him being in the road is why they tackled him to the ground in the moment.
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Why do you believe ICE went after those two individuals? That’s important here. I don’t believe it was just blood lust. Do you?

I think they were likely obstructing, which lead to the confrontation. No one said he deserved to die. But if you keep stacking poor decisions, you greatly increase your odds. It was still a mistake on the part of LE. But stacking horrible decisions makes mistakes more likely
 
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Vol8188 said:
They clearly appear to be attempting to apprehend him. Are you claiming you can’t resist arrest until you’ve been officially booked? Afterwards he was dead. Do you believe the need to arrest his corpse in order for it to he considered resisting arrest? You’ve lost me here

If you’re interfering with their operations, they have jurisdiction to arrest you.
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Hmmm...

Was he interfering? Standing in the street directing traffic, then helping a lady up who was pushed down by one of the goons.

They cannot arrest you just for:
  • Filming them in public
  • Asking questions
  • Verbally criticizing or insulting them
  • Refusing consent to a search
  • Remaining silent
  • Standing nearby without physically obstructing
Courts are clear: speech ≠ interference.
 
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appvol said:
I haven’t even seen Fox talk about it but I did see this guys opinion on it though.

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As a former Special Forces Warrant Officer with multiple rotations running counterinsurgency ops—both hunting insurgents and trying to separate them from sympathetic populations—I’ve seen organized resistance up close. From Anbar to Helmand, the pattern is familiar: spotters, cutouts, dead drops (or modern equivalents), disciplined comms, role specialization, and a willingness to absorb casualties while bleeding the stronger force slowly.

What’s unfolding in Minneapolis right now isn’t “protest.” It’s low-level insurgency infrastructure, built by people who’ve clearly studied the playbook.

Signal groups at 1,000-member cap per zone. Dedicated roles: mobile chasers, plate checkers logging vehicle data into shared databases, 24/7 dispatch nodes vectoring assets, SALUTE-style reporting (Size, Activity, Location, Unit, Time, Equipment) on suspected federal vehicles. Daily chat rotations and timed deletions to frustrate forensic recovery. Vetting processes for new joiners. Mutual aid from sympathetic locals (teachers providing cover, possible PD tip-offs on license plate lookups). Home-base coordination points. Rapid escalation from observation to physical obstruction—or worse.

This isn’t spontaneous outrage. This is C2 (command and control) with redundancy, OPSEC hygiene, and task organization that would make a SF team sergeant nod in recognition. Replace “ICE agents” with “occupying coalition forces” and the structure maps almost 1:1 to early-stage urban cells we hunted in the mid-2000s.

The most sobering part? It’s domestic. Funded, trained (somewhere), and directed by people who live in the same country they’re trying to paralyze law enforcement in. When your own citizens build and operate this level of parallel intelligence and rapid-response network against federal officers—complete with doxxing, vehicle pursuits, and harassment that’s already turned lethal—you’re no longer dealing with civil disobedience. You’re facing a distributed resistance that’s learned the lessons of successful insurgencies: stay below the kinetic threshold most of the time, force over-reaction when possible, maintain popular support through narrative, and never present a single center of gravity.

I spent years training partner forces to dismantle exactly this kind of apparatus. Now pieces of it are standing up in American cities, enabled by elements of local government and civil society. That should keep every thinking American awake at night.

Not because I want escalation. But because history shows these things don’t de-escalate on their own once the infrastructure exists and the cadre believe they’re winning the information war.

We either recognize what we’re actually looking at—or we pretend it’s still just “activism” until the structures harden and spread.

Your call, America. But from where I sit, this isn’t January 2026 politics anymore.
It’s phase one of something we’ve spent decades trying to keep off our own soil.
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Dudes a nutbag just like most Spec Ops guys. Great for when you need them killing our enemies. Not so good when you are looking for grounded thinking stateside.
 
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MontyPython said:
Hmmm...

Was he interfering?

They cannot arrest you just for:
  • Filming them in public
  • Asking questions
  • Verbally criticizing or insulting them
  • Refusing consent to a search
  • Remaining silent
  • Standing nearby without physically obstructing
Courts are clear: speech ≠ interference.
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You realize immediately after posters then blocked off the road, right?

So why’s he in the road and directing traffic? IDK for sure that he interfering, but I think it’s more likely than ICE just randomly went after him and this lady for no reason. I’d like to see more film. His film and the body cams
 
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ETV said:
Within departments, usually administrative desk jobs. Employed by a municipality and given certain levels of authority to document and report on officers and possible misconduct.

That’s not even in the same realm to what the current protestors want in MN.
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That's not what I'm talking about, though I can understand the confusion because I wasn't very clear. I'm talking about regular civilians not employed to do that job. They do it because government often doesn't do a great job of holding their police accountable. It's much more public and exposed now with the ICE stuff.

The masks are protecting them, not from the protestors, but from the repercussions of their actions while on the job.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You realize immediately after posters then blocked off the road, right?

So why’s he in the road and directing traffic? IDK for sure that he interfering, but I think it’s more likely than ICE just randomly went after him and this lady for no reason. I’d like to see more film. His film and the body cams
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Agreed. I saw another longer video that seems to show him walking around, filming, and eventually directing traffic. Now he might have said something to the agents but, again, he has the right to say most anything.

I would very much like to see the video and audio from his cell phone. Presuming that the feds haven’t destroyed it.

Problem is these Ice guys are clearly undertrained and overzealous.

They attacked and killed one of our fellow citizens.

What on God‘s green earth did this have to do with immigration or border patrol.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Why didn’t he back up? If you’re armed you should avoid conflict with LE. You have a right to be armed. Depending on the circumstances he may have had a right to stand there and not move when directed to do so.

But that doesn’t make it any less stupid.



Agreed. I don’t understand that either.
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Stupid? He stood between a defenseless woman and her assailant, wouldn't you be a man and do the same? I doubt he remembered he had a gun, and certainly never threatened to use it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Here's the bottom line with the 2A frauds...the line that we 2a people have always given people is somewhere in the ballpark of

The feds should not be able to walk down our streets and assault our women right in front of us without fear that one of the many officers of the peace there won't hesitate to show force.
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Arm up and drive to Minnesota.

I will stay and defend my little East Tennessee town.
 
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