Too much ice

[Carl Pickens]

I saw an enhanced version of the video this morning.
The suspect is on the ground. He appears to try and draw from the other side. An ice agent steps in and appears to grab his had. Again that’s on the other side of his body. The ICE agent who shoots the suspect is behind him. He sees the gun and draws. The ice agent who grabs the hand and gun turns and exits with the gun. The agent who shot the suspect then fires.
In my opinion there’s no way the ice agent who reacted to the draw of the gum didn’t see it removed before he shot. Much less can justify 4 more shots.

It doesn’t matter why the gun was there.
It doesn’t matter if he attempted to draw it.
He was successful disarmed by one agent and was then shot by another agent with a clear view of the situation.

I’m thinking the Sig went off in the agent’s hand and that prompted a reactive trigger pull from the other agent that shot him.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Because a good chunk of these "agents" were likely trained with the oversight of an Applebee's busboy orientation video with qualifications to match

It’s pretty clear firearms training was never emphasized

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don’t know how anyone is still defending this.

You can’t.
The first shot is into an unarmed restrained man in the back

 

[Carl Pickens]

In the enhanced video the removed firearm does appear to go off but it’s after the other agent shot the suspect.
It might have been fired into the ground as a jump scare when the suspect was shot but you’d expect anyone with any gun knowledge to not have a finger on the trigger

So the agent shot the man before the Sig went off in the other agent’s hand?

 

[Orangeslice13]

I’m thinking the Sig went off in the agent’s hand and that prompted a reactive trigger pull from the other agent that shot him.

No. The video is clear
The kill shot was first.

 

[Orangeslice13]

So the agent shot the man before the Sig went off in the other agent’s hand?

Yes.
It was a draw and shoot with very little pause between.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Curious to know after watching the video again if the first shot was the supposed negligent discharge from the man’s firearm that the agent was holding. That would definitely play a large factor in what happened.

On the other hand, can our politicians on both sides just respond with saying we don’t know all the facts and we are sorry someone lost their life rather than making immediate false claims going both ways.

Ok let’s deal with this now. That doesn’t excuse the other agents shooting him three times in the back. It’s still voluntary manslaughter and whomever shot him should be fired and the evidence sent before a grand jury.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I’m thinking the Sig went off in the agent’s hand and that prompted a reactive trigger pull from the other agent that shot him.

That's what i'm leaning towards too...I wish we could definitively SEE the first round hit the pavement or something else in that one video

 

[NorthDallas40]

Bunch of folks exposing themselves as frauds

Noem is a clown and after her handling of DHS she won’t be electable on a national level. She should take Bovino with her as head of security in her new county role job wherever that may be.

 

[Rickyvol77]

In the enhanced video the removed firearm does appear to go off but it’s after the other agent shot the suspect.
It might have been fired into the ground as a jump scare when the suspect was shot but you’d expect anyone with any gun knowledge to not have a finger on the trigger

I don't know about this timeline. the suspect's gun the agent is carrying it correctly in a safe position with his finger off the trigger.

When I watch that video from the backside, it appears the suspects gun goes off as the agent is carrying it which is a second before the other agent's shooting start....its quick either way...

and to be honest we can't definitively prove the suspects gun is the first shot at this point either.

Hopefully ballistics report will be released soon

 

[utvolpj]

I’m thinking the Sig went off in the agent’s hand and that prompted a reactive trigger pull from the other agent that shot him.

It's infinitely more likely the guy pulled the trigger.

 

[Carl Pickens]

It's infinitely more likely the guy pulled the trigger.

True, but some model Sigs are known to have an issue.

 

[MontyPython]

National Libertarian Party calling for the abolishment of ICE as well

@hog88 when I read this I hear your voice.

Have you posted your opposition to this murder by ICE yet?

 

[General Jack]

I'm hearing reports that ICE is about to have a significantly larger presence in the Austin, Texas area.

Only a matter of time before they start harassing gun-toting, right-leaning hispanics. Much different lay of the land than Minneapolis.

 

[MontyPython]

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If we could ban Stephen Miller from ever saying another word, THAT would be huge progress.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Noem is a clown and after her handling of DHS she won’t be electable on a national level. She should take Bovino with her as head of security in her new county role job wherever that may be.

She doesn't know how to answer basic questions

 

[NorthDallas40]

@hog88 when I read this I hear your voice.

Have you posted your opposition to this murder by ICE yet?

Yes he has. Multiple times and early on even. And yes he even called it murder. Again multiple times.

 

[Rickyvol77]

It's infinitely more likely the guy pulled the trigger.

Not with a Sig...they are known for malfunctions like that....and the one video from the back shows his hand carrying it around the grip with no fingers anywhere near the trigger

 

[n_huffhines]

I'm hearing reports that ICE is about to have a significantly larger presence in the Austin, Texas area.

Only a matter of time before they start harassing gun-toting, right-leaning hispanics. Much different lay of the land than Minneapolis.

Nah, I doubt it will be worse than MN because TX state is gonna have Trump's back big time. They won't be pleading for peace for their people. They'll be with the jackboots.

 

[NorthDallas40]

She doesn't know how to answer basic questions

Well it would help if she stuck to facts and didn’t lie. To think this incompetent clown was considered for the White House. Major dodge there.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Well it would help if she stuck to facts and didn’t lie. To think this incompetent clown was considered for the White House. Major dodge there.

!00% agree

 

[NorthDallas40]

I'm hearing reports that ICE is about to have a significantly larger presence in the Austin, Texas area.

Only a matter of time before they start harassing gun-toting, right-leaning hispanics. Much different lay of the land than Minneapolis.

That makes sense. They shoot people in MN so they run to a safe state. *slow golfclap*.

And more of these idiots in my state of residence. Greeeeeaaaaaattttt

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don't know about this timeline. the suspect's gun the agent is carrying it correctly in a safe position with his finger off the trigger.

When I watch that video from the backside, it appears the suspects gun goes off as the agent is carrying it which is a second before the other agent's shooting start....its quick either way...

and to be honest we can't definitively prove the suspects gun is the first shot at this point either.

Hopefully ballistics report will be released soon

Shooter is under the red arrow drawing his gun. The agent removing the gun from the suspect is immediately to his left.
Go watch any video of this again and focus on those 2 people. The agent with the suspects gun has his back to the situation when the first shot is fired and then the suspects gun goes off in the agent’s hand.

 

[utvolpj]

Not with a Sig...they are known for malfunctions like that....and the one video from the back shows his hand carrying it around the grip with no fingers anywhere near the trigger

The most likely scenario is that a poorly trained and excited agent slipped his finger on the trigger while pulling the gun out. Make up all the stories you want to try and remove some responsibility but this was an execution. This mess should not happen in the US but it's a perfect representation of this admin

 

[n_huffhines]

This impotent, do-nothing is supposed to be the guy inciting violence against ICE? Lol.

Please Republicans. Save my state for me from you.