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KB5252 said:
I've stated as much in this very thread. Perhaps you should look through my statements to get a better feel on where I stand.

For the record I think Luther is an alright guy but I find his anti-Trump anti-anything right as problematic as I see Trump-T totalers. Trump is bad for the country, hard stop. I agree with some of his policy in principle but in action and rhetoric he leaves way too much to be desired for me to support him.

Isn't it just as faulty as moral relativism to support the rival of your political opponent just because they are the rival?

It seems to me we could do a lot better than just attempting to stand in the way of the other side, it's kind of what's gotten us to this point of continuously politically serving back and forth across the street and into the ditches......... Sooner or later we aren't going to be able to get it out of that ditch.

And to pretend that one party has been better than the other, or is even really all that different where rubber meets road is simply partisan hackery.
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Your post about both sides being looked at the same provided enough context.

I agree Trump's rhetoric is hard to stomach sometimes. Then I also realize the left will demonize you so you can back down. They did it with others before Trump. Trump is 80, stuck in ways, used to be a Democrat and is not going to back down because he knows their shtick. I think a DeSantis would be much more effective as a messenger while being aligned from a policy standpoint. JD Vance as well. I've learned to absorb the message/policy.

Moral relativism is looking at everything as I see the other side and its even. Some times are tough but it's the reality and not what we want or hope the reality would be.

For the record, I voted for Obama twice. Somewhat regret it but it was the correct for me me at the time. So the line can't be pulled on me that I tow the party line.

I tow the law and order line when ICE has a duty to do their jobs but anarchist, many that have traveled to Minneapolis like Good, are trying to disrupt their operations.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Sounds like you're in favor of the Democrat philosophy of "Let them burn sh!t down!".
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more like I am in favor of the philosophy of "Maybe the government shouldn't act in a way that makes people want to burn stuff down."

its possible for there to be two wrongs. its possible for one side to be right on one matter, and wrong on another. neither side is perfect, and I don't act like either is.
 
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LouderVol said:
more like I am in favor of the philosophy of "Maybe the government shouldn't act in a way that makes people want to burn stuff down."

its possible for there to be two wrongs. its possible for one side to be right on one matter, and wrong on another. neither side is perfect, and I don't act like either is.
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So you're think appeasement is the proper strategy. So it's wrong to deport illegal aliens?
 
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LouderVol said:
what if the aggressive actions of law enforcement disrupts the "order"?

you are proposing a never ending cycle. government cracks down. people protest. government cracks down more. more people protest. government cracks down even more. even more people protest.

at some point the government has to be SEEN as maintaining order outside of just upholding various laws that favor them. it would be a different conversation if we saw this admin going after the problem on all fronts, but they have yet to really go after any of the companies that hire illegals.

Trump ending the swearing in ceremony to make sure migrants can't become citizens is a complete disruption of "order". that ish can't be allowed. that collective punishment bs is not what America stands for.
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LouderVol said:
lol, you are barking up the wrong tree. like way wrong tree.

simple case in point, how did you feel about the government shutting down churches in Covid? Or arresting people on the beaches? is that the type of triple down-ing you want to see?

I have lived thru that government overreach, I didn't like it then, I don't like it now. I don't care if its legal or justified, its not for the best of this nation to have a government that is hostile against its own population.

our nation is built on the principle that the people can change the government, and that the government isn't the end all be all. if the government has gotten far enough away from reflecting the will of the people, where things get violent. its a failure of the government, not the people. and I don't even agree with these idiots, but its disturbing how the government is just avoiding any sort of normal process to handle these conflicts. their only response has been escalation because they can.
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Do you want citizens taking matters into their own hands? Is that your solution? Because if that’s your solution, it doesn’t end well for the troublemakers.

The Covid gov overreach? The Democratic Government overreach you mean. I didn’t get vaxed, I didn’t wear a mask, and I didn’t change anything about my daily life. That was the Gov you voted for brother, not me. Covid & this mess aren’t comparable at all. This is violence, this is targeting and disrupting crowds of people that are peaceful and non confrontational. Your plan leads to this.

The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of men who wanted to be left alone. They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over.

The moment the men who wanted to be left alone are forced to fight back, it is a form of suicide. They are literally killing off who they used to be. Which is why, when forced to take up violence, these men who wanted to be left alone, fight with unholy vengeance against those who murdered their former lives. They fight with raw hate, and a drive that cannot be fathomed by those who are merely play-acting at politics and terror. TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream and beg for mercy… but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the men who just wanted to be left alone.
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Alexandr Solzhenitsyn
 
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rekinhavoc said:
www.breitbart.com

Nicki Minaj Slams 'Disgusting' Don Lemon After He Joined Anti-ICE Invasion of Minnesota Church: 'I WANT THAT THUG IN JAIL!'

Rap megastar Nicki Minaj didn't mince words calling for disgraced former CNN anchor Don Lemon to be thrown in jail after he and his film crew joined a group of anti-ICE agitators who stormed into a Minnesota church during service on Sunday chanting, “Hands up, Don’t shoot,” and “ICE out.”
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com

I think Nicki could take him...
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Nicki can't take her own husband near a school, she is a Twitter personality and little else
 
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n_huffhines said:
The world doesn't care about protesters harassing an ICE preacher. If he were a true servant of Christ, maybe. He can keep his 30 pcs of silver
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Shows how much you know. They protested the wrong preacher. You really are that _tupid. Yall can fill in the blank

Omg a mod will edit stuff but let the leftist say whatever they want here calling people names
 
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NashVol11 said:
Nicki can't take her own husband near a school, she is a Twitter personality and little else
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Don Lemon is a fake political activist that will be in jail soon. He wants to terrorize the average white male and then he goes and snuggles with his back at home. When you are so radical in your beliefs and hate that you call people in a church White Supremacist and Entitled, it’s clear that they aren’t the issue and he is. You can continue to stand for hate and violent action against white people; but the rest of America won’t. You call out Nikki and talk about her downfalls; but ignore Don’s; you are everything you speak out against.

It’s funny how everyone throwing out Bootlicker and Bigot, are the ones that defend the very people that are harassing innocent citizens. Your true colors are starting to show buddy.
 
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allstar34 said:
It’s funny how everyone throwing out Bootlicker and Bigot, are the ones that defend the very people that are harassing innocent citizens. Your true colors are starting to show buddy.
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You still haven't figured out what bootlicker means lol, describing every protest as if it's a hate crime with the government coming in to save the day means you are proving that poster's exact point
 
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NashVol11 said:
You still haven't figured out what bootlicker means lol, describing every protest as if it's a hate crime with the government coming in to save the day means you are proving that poster's exact point
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Yep, Bootlicker:

Someone that supported every restriction, lockdown, non-essential business being shutdown and people being fired for refusing to take an experimental vaccine. I know exactly what a bootlicker is.
 
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NashVol11 said:
You still haven't figured out what bootlicker means lol, describing every protest as if it's a hate crime with the government coming in to save the day means you are proving that poster's exact point
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I’ll ask again for the third time.
Do you want violence to counter the violent acts that are being done to innocent citizens?
Do you want reciprocal action? What’s your solution? We both know that if the pendulum swings and the people being harassed fight back; it’ll be a bloodbath for these people.

You can confidently say that government shouldn’t interfere because they haven’t faced a reaction to any of their violence yet. People will only remain docile for so long. I don’t want to see people hurt from either side; but you are more than fine being the bully. It’s a comfortable place to be in, right?
 
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LouderVol said:
what if the aggressive actions of law enforcement disrupts the "order"?

you are proposing a never ending cycle. government cracks down. people protest. government cracks down more. more people protest. government cracks down even more. even more people protest.

at some point the government has to be SEEN as maintaining order outside of just upholding various laws that favor them. it would be a different conversation if we saw this admin going after the problem on all fronts, but they have yet to really go after any of the companies that hire illegals.

Trump ending the swearing in ceremony to make sure migrants can't become citizens is a complete disruption of "order". that ish can't be allowed. that collective punishment bs is not what America stands for.
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I am not.

How familiar are you with law enforcement? Law enforcement are trained to escalate at least one rung higher than the lawbreakers. I have multiple family members that are varying flavors of LE, and they discuss it often. It's a principal that law and order depends on.

It will only be a cycle until LE escalates beyond the anarchists to the point that they stop thinking they can get away with it.
 
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allstar34 said:


The time for being a Pacifist is coming to an end. A Christian is the only category/belief that isn’t protected in this Country. The full extent of the law should be applied to these thugs. We don’t pay taxes to live in a Country of people that disturb our lives. Call in the military and eradicate this disease.
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No. In my opinion, this is not the right mindset as a Christian or an American.
 
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