Too much ice

Saying everyone is wrong is like two kids fighting and you assign blame to both. In this case one group is law enforcement and the other group is supposed to obey the law.

I'd like your take on why they both are wrong.
Others have laid out it pretty objectively. I don't really see a need to rehash. If you feel one side is all right and the other all wrong here then I don't really know what to tell you.
 

"ICE operations in Minnesota have led to the removal of 2,500 criminal aliens tied to violent crimes. DHS reports that another 1,360 remain in city custody under ICE detainers but are at risk of being released due to local non-cooperation. In one recent enforcement action, ICE agents arrested individuals with histories of murder, domestic abuse, drug trafficking, and identity theft. Among those arrested were Hien Quoc Thai, convicted of murder, and Brian Anjain, who had 24 convictions, including assault, public intoxication, and domestic abuse.

Minnesota leaders have reiterated their commitment to sanctuary city policies. The Minneapolis City Council in December 2025 expanded protections for illegal immigrants by prohibiting city employees from assisting in federal immigration enforcement or permitting ICE to use city facilities during operations.

Meanwhile, federal officials, including DHS Secretary Kristi Noem and Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin, continue to press Minnesota leaders to cooperate with federal enforcement. McLaughlin has publicly demanded that Mayor Jacob Frey and Gov. Tim Walz “stop releasing criminal aliens onto the streets where they can continue committing crimes against American citizens,” calling it a matter of “common sense.”


Why not give up the criminals?
 
I'm guessing that sounded better in your head, should have read it twice before you hit post.

If the Trump administration was actually concerned about criminals, then they'd be focusing on California, Texas, and Florida, as the math alone would be in their favor for actually rounding up people with criminal records, but instead, they are in Minnesota because guys like you and Stephen Miller eat it up when they see Greg Bovino cosplaying a 'brownshirt' in a state that didn't vote for Trump.

Which is why you guys turn a blind eye to the fact that they have trampled the rights of numerous citizens with 'kavanaugh stops' and warrantless home invasions, only to release a US citizen hours or days later from what is an illegal detention.
Again, you have been shown that those three states you mentioned have been the main focus of ICE activities with the most arrests
 
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This guy is who 20m right wing voters pretend to be in their fantasies, and they're all gonna call him stupid.

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Stupid? No if he is legally able to carry good for him, although I hope he isn't cosplaying and thinking if he lifts his gun at feds they won't shoot him
 
In 2015, President Barack Obama awarded Tom Homan the Presidential Rank Award as a Distinguished Executive. This is the highest civil service award in the United States, granted to top career leaders for sustained extraordinary results.
Homan received the award for his leadership as the Executive Associate Director of Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO) at U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). His recognized accomplishments included:
Enforcement Records: In fiscal year 2015, 91% of interior arrests by ERO were individuals with criminal convictions, and 98% of all removals met the administration's stated civil immigration enforcement priorities—both agency records.
Response to Border Surges: He was credited with successfully handling a major surge of unaccompanied children and family units at the Southwest border in 2014, facilitating the transfer of over 55,000 children to appropriate custody.
Operational Efficiency: During his three-year tenure leading ERO under the Obama administration, the division removed more than 920,000 individuals, including 534,000 convicted criminals.

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A member of Christ Church in Washington, D.C., who asked to remain anonymous, told Fox News Digital that he immediately recognized Kelly as a part of a group that has been pestering worshipers on a routine basis.
"William Kelly is a regular outside our church, he screams incredibly vile and gross things at families, at children at people, he’s called my wife a c--t, a wh--e and a Nazi breeder, all sorts of fun things," the Christ Church member told Fox News Digital.

"We’ve had regular protests at our D.C. services for the last few months, a combination of paid, professional agitators, as well as people who just show up periodically. We became aware of William Kelly because through that, he was one of the regular protestors each week," Rigney told Fox News Digital.

"Kelly stood out because he was one of the more aggressive, angry, vile, profane protesters who would follow people to their car, yell at them, yell at children… profanity-laden attacks on normal church members," Rigney continued. "When we saw the video come out of Cities Church in St. Paul, our security team flagged it for me and said, ‘That’s the same guy.'"
 
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And then got in the pastors face with a mic and said “don’t push me”. Does an interview and claims white supremacy.

Oh Don, you were fired exactly for this by CNN.

Yeah, I went back on that part about 4x. At no point did I see him touch Don Lemon. If anything he was being wildly polite given the circumstances.

Hope Don Lemon gets charged with trespassing
 
Yeah, I went back on that part about 4x. At no point did I see him touch Don Lemon. If anything he was being wildly polite given the circumstances
Looks as though he has his hand on Dons elbow/back as some people do in a close conservation for a few seconds before Don says it. Never saw Don move or get unbalanced.
 
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Others have laid out it pretty objectively. I don't really see a need to rehash. If you feel one side is all right and the other all wrong here then I don't really know what to tell you.

No offense, but that's what I thought. What you explained is moral relativism. It's dangerous. We're a nation of laws any of rationalization is giving the mob enforcement authority.

Moral relativism is the view that moral judgments are true or false only relative to some particular standpoint (for instance, that of a culture or a historical period) and that no standpoint is uniquely privileged over all others.
 
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If that's what brings law and order so be it. As long as it's the right things to do. The problem here, in the particular situation nobody is right. Everyone is wrong.

So what do we do then?
If what brings law and order? Law enforcement allowing themselves to be bullied by anarchists?

Can you clarify, please?
 
Cucking for the cucks? A good example of that in real time is the Chief of Minneapolis.

I think KB leans to the right but it's that caving mentality that has allowed this culture to grow like a parasite that doesn't realize that if it kills the host then it dies to. More McCain and Romney voters that would rather take L's.

I'm all for negotiation and collaboration between the sides but illegal immigration should be non negotiable to a large extent.
 
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