Too much ice

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[volsforever27]

They didn't "bring babies," they were stopped and DHS tried to lie about it

So blame ABC and officials in MN. I shouldn’t have trusted ABC though, so my mistake.

 

[luthervol]

The libs on the board fell for a headline without knowing the discrepancies of what happened, and the history of the deceased. They chose to hitch their wagon up to a child rapist and then got called out on it. Now they can’t backtrack, because then they would be MAGA.

That's simply stupid.
If you believe what you are saying is true; well then, you are ________________!
If you know what you are saying is not true; well then, you are ________________!

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'd just like to remind everyone that Fascism was a far-left ideology, and the actions we're seeing today prove that it still is.

 

[luthervol]

Who mobilized the National Guard?

 

[n_huffhines]

Wait, did ICE lie again?

 

[Rickyvol77]

I'd just like to remind everyone that Fascism was a far-left ideology, and the actions we're seeing today prove that it still is.

In fairness, fascism can be BOTH far right and far left

Socialism/Communism tends to evolve into it because of human nature and the fact you HAVE to stifle free speech, religion, actual education, free movement, and force people at gunpoint to live in it to keep it alive.
But there are right-wing fascism and dictatorships too with the same methodology

 

[Rickyvol77]

Wait, did ICE lie again?

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What are you trying to say here? 2025 is tied for the most deaths by ICE officers ever and the most in 8 years?

Also there is more violence, like threats, attacks, assaults that DON'T end up in deaths you know?

Thousands

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Who mobilized the National Guard?

Apparently it doesn't matter at this point. Left wing idiots need to stay home.

 

[Orange_Crush]

In fairness, fascism can be BOTH far right and far left

Socialism/Communism tends to evolve into it because of human nature and the fact you HAVE to stifle free speech, religion, actual education, free movement, and force people at gunpoint to live in it to keep it alive.
But there are right-wing fascism and dictatorships too with the same methodology

Right-wing versions? By what definition? Methodology? Fascism is an ideology, not a methodology.

Definitions are important. We shouldn't just casually morph "fascism" into "authoritarian". It's lazy and ill-willed to weaponize a word and try to dehumanize others by labeling them, without even knowing what it means. (Not saying you are or have.)

Fascism was a left-wing ideology. Makes it hilarious to see modern socialists running around believing they can run around, morally doing whatever they wish to conservatives because they are "fascists".

(Also, Nazism was a left-wing ideology as well. Stupidly hilarious that these are the two terms chosen by modern leftists to demonize and dehumanize their enemies.)

 

[rekinhavoc]

Reports: Justice Dept. Investigates Tim Walz, Jacob Frey for Obstruction

The Department of Justice is reportedly investigating Minnesota Gov. Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey for obstructing law enforcement.Crime

www.breitbart.com

"You only have to read their own words and hear their own words and judge their own conduct to understand that this is clearly an insurgency against the federal government.

They are describing the federal government as an occupying force… The federal government has sole jurisdiction and authority over immigration law… If you were to permit individual cities and states to ratify their own immigration laws for themselves, you wouldn’t have a republic, you wouldn’t have a country. And that’s the proposition that Frey and Ellison and Walz are trying to test.

They are asserting that they have the unfettered right to harbor aliens who have no right to be in this country and to effectively, and in fact, to incite violent insurrection from organized agitators against federal forces to prevent those federal forces from effectuating duly enacted immigration law."

 

[luthervol]

Apparently it doesn't matter at this point. Left wing idiots need to stay home.

lol....
I think the idiot who made the x-tweet was clueless......or maybe he just assumed his audience would be.

And are you saying that people should not feel free to peacefully protest and closely observe the actions of ice?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

lol....
I think the idiot who made the x-tweet was clueless......or maybe he just assumed his audience would be.

And are you saying that people should not feel free to peacefully protest and closely observe the actions of ice?

Putting words in my mouth .... are you saying blah blah blah. I didn't say any of that.
People like you look at the truth and will deny it just to score political pts w/your buds.
Sadly you're a waste of everyone's time w/discussions. You look stupid as ur pet fish.
And where have the peacefully protests been? There hasn't been any you clown lib.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Right-wing versions? By what definition? Methodology? Fascism is an ideology, not a methodology.

Definitions are important. We shouldn't just casually morph "fascism" into "authoritarian". It's lazy and ill-willed to weaponize a word and try to dehumanize others by labeling them, without even knowing what it means. (Not saying you are or have.)

Fascism was a left-wing ideology. Makes it hilarious to see modern socialists running around believing they can run, morally doing whatever they wish to conservatives because they are "fascists".

(Also, Nazism was a left-wing ideology as well. Stupidly hilarious that these are the two modern terms chosen by modern leftists to demonize and dehumanize their enemies.)

The Japanese Empire, The Austro-Fascist Party in the 30s, several dictatorships in Central America, South America and Africa were fascist dictators who were anti-communist and anti-socialist.

Not to mention several pre-modern monarchies were absolutely more "fascist" in definition and many of those rulers were not left-wing in the historical sense

 

[rekinhavoc]

Right-wing versions? By what definition? Methodology? Fascism is an ideology, not a methodology.

Definitions are important. We shouldn't just casually morph "fascism" into "authoritarian". It's lazy and ill-willed to weaponize a word and try to dehumanize others by labeling them, without even knowing what it means. (Not saying you are or have.)

Fascism was a left-wing ideology. Makes it hilarious to see modern socialists running around believing they can run, morally doing whatever they wish to conservatives because they are "fascists".

(Also, Nazism was a left-wing ideology as well. Stupidly hilarious that these are the two modern terms chosen by modern leftists to demonize and dehumanize their enemies.)

Wanna tell them who the Brownshirts are today and what happened to the original Brownshirts?

The 11 principles of Nazi propaganda created by Goebbels:
1.- Principle of simplification and the single enemy. Adopt a single idea, a single Symbol; Individualize the adversary into a single enemy.
2.- Principle of the contagion method. Gather diverse adversaries into a single category or individual; The adversaries must be made up of an individual sum.
3.- Principle of transposition. Load on the opponent his own errors or defects, responding the attack with the attack. "If you can't deny the bad news, invent others that distract them."
4.- Principle of exaggeration and disfigurement. Turn any anecdote, however small, into a serious threat.
5.- Principle of popularization. “All propaganda must be popular, adapting its level to the least intelligent of the individuals to whom it is directed. The larger the mass to convince, the smaller the mental effort must be made. The receptive capacity of the masses is limited and their understanding poor; in addition, they have great facility to forget”.
6.- Orchestration principle. "Propaganda must be limited to a small number of ideas and repeated tirelessly, presented over and over from different perspectives but always converging on the same concept. Without fissures or doubts ”. This is also where the famous phrase comes from: "If a lie is repeated enough, it eventually becomes true."
7.- Principle of renewal. New information and arguments must be constantly broadcast at such a rate that when the opponent responds the public is already interested in something else. The adversary's responses must never be able to counter the increasing level of accusations.
8.- Principle of plausibility. Construct arguments from various sources, through so-called balloon probes or fragmentary information.
9.- Principle of silencing. Silencing on issues on which there are no arguments and disguising the news that favors the adversary, also counterprogramming with the help of related media.
10.- Principle of transfusion. As a general rule, propaganda always operates from a pre-existing substrate, be it a national mythology or a complex of traditional hatreds and prejudices; it is about spreading arguments that can take root in primitive attitudes.
11.- Principle of unanimity. To convince many people that they think "like everyone else", creating the impression of unanimity.
Don't "Forget History"

 

[Orange_Crush]

The Japanese Empire, The Austro-Fascist Party in the 30s, several dictatorships in Central America, South America and Africa were fascist dictators who were anti-communist and anti-socialist.

Not to mention several pre-modern monarchies were absolutely more "fascist" in definition and many of those rulers were not left-wing in the historical sense

Please give your working definition for "Fascist". I don't see how monarchies before fascism could be fascist, by the definition of those who created and implemented "fascism".

And being anti-"socialist" and anti-communist in no way means that it/they were right-wing. Mussolini's Fascism was anti-communist, and grew out of a rebellion from the Italian socialist party, while being staunchly and undeniably left-wing. Fascism was not the right against the left; it was a left against the other lefts.

There's No Denying the Socialist Roots of Fascism

The father of fascism himself literally said it. “Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form.”

fee.org

Looking at their brief run of it, Austro-fascism appears to have been Fascism in name-only, and not in policy.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition; a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

This is the literal definition of fascism. The notion that right wing dictatorships and authoritarian regimes are somehow not "fascist" is silly. Both extreme political spectrums CAN and HAVE exhibited fascistic tendencies

 

[Orange_Crush]

Fascism : a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe economic and social regimentation and by forcible suppression of opposition; a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

This is the literal definition of fascism. The notion that right wing dictatorships and authoritarian regimes are somehow not "fascist" is silly. Both extreme political spectrums CAN and HAVE exhibited fascistic tendencies

I'm using the definition of the ideology given by its founders as opposed to a methodological description that has been sanitized by historians to try to remove the stink of it from the left. Both Fascism and Nazism were self-proclaimed left-wing movements with proud collectivist policies.

It's incredibly strange to me that you look them up today, and they are erroneously listed as far-right ideologies.

This opposition to international socialism and communism is precisely what has caused so much confusion in the ideological location of fascism, Nazism, and also Peronism. Having opposed the traditional internationalist Marxist left, these were attributed to the current of ultra-right movements, when the truth is that, as has been demonstrated, their centralized economic policies obeyed collectivist and socialist principles, openly opposing capitalism and the free market, favoring nationalism and autarchy.

In that sense, as established by the philosopher creator of fascist ideology, Giovanni Gentile, fascism is another form of socialism, ergo, it was not a battle of left against right, but a struggle between different left-wing ideologies, an internationalist and a nationalist one.

In fact, in 1943, Benito Mussolini promoted the “socialization of the economy,” also known as fascist socialization; for this process Mussolini sought the advice of the founder of the Italian Communist Party, Nicola Bombacci; the communist was the main intellectual author of the “Verona Manifesto,” the historical declaration with which fascism promoted this process of economic “socialization” to deepen anti-capitalism and autarchism, and in which Italy became known as the “Italian Social Republic.”

On April 22, 1945 in Milan, the Fascist leader would declare the following:


“Our programs are definitely equal to our revolutionary ideas and they belong to what in democratic regime is called “left”; our institutions are a direct result of our programs and our ideal is the Labor State. In this case there can be no doubt: we are the working class in struggle for life and death, against capitalism. We are the revolutionaries in search of a new order. If this is so, to invoke help from the bourgeoisie by waving the red peril is an absurdity. The real scarecrow, the real danger, the threat against which we fight relentlessly, comes from the right. It is not at all in our interest to have the capitalist bourgeoisie as an ally against the threat of the red peril, even at best it would be an unfaithful ally, which is trying to make us serve its ends, as it has done more than once with some success. I will spare words as it is totally superfluous. In fact, it is harmful, because it makes us confuse the types of genuine revolutionaries of whatever hue, with the man of reaction who sometimes uses our very language.”

Six days after these statements, Benito Mussolini would be captured and shot.

There's No Denying the Socialist Roots of Fascism

The father of fascism himself literally said it. “Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form.”

fee.org

So, when one says, "Fascism was a left-wing ideology", it does little good to argue the definition of a methodological term that has little to do with the self-professed ideology's philosophy and practices.

In view of the above, the modern of abuses of the word are hilarious, and partly the point of my post. If you mean "authoritarian", just say so. Ask yourself how Fascism went from the above to a "right-wing" system?






I'll repeat: Fascism was a left-wing ideology, and it would appear from what we are seeing today that it still is.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Lefty protesters allegedly Stab Jan. 6 rioter, GOP candidate who shouted ‘we deserve a future for white Americans’​

Leftwing protesters attacked and allegedly stabbed pardoned Jan. 6 rioter and Florida Senate candidate Jake Lang Saturday after his “March Against Fraud” was met with violent pushback in Minneapolis, video showed.

Lang was repeatedly bashed on the back of the head by several protesters who swung fists, flags, and objects as he fled the chaotic scene, video posted to X showed.







As Lang attempted to get away from the scene in a red sedan, video posted to X showed counter protesters ripping open the door of the car — throwing kicks and attempting to pull him back out onto the street.

Lang posted on X that he was stabbed by “a crazie white commie leftist rioter” and wrote that the tactical vest he was wearing “blocked it.”

Lefty Minneapolis protesters attack Jan. 6 rioter Jake Lang as he shouts 'we deserve a future for white Americans'

Jake Lang had promised to burn a Quran on the steps of Minneapolis City Hall but ultimately didn’t follow through – and instead was left dodging aggressors.

nypost.com

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Lefty protesters allegedly Stab Jan. 6 rioter, GOP candidate who shouted ‘we deserve a future for white Americans’​

Leftwing protesters attacked and allegedly stabbed pardoned Jan. 6 rioter and Florida Senate candidate Jake Lang Saturday after his “March Against Fraud” was met with violent pushback in Minneapolis, video showed.

Lang was repeatedly bashed on the back of the head by several protesters who swung fists, flags, and objects as he fled the chaotic scene, video posted to X showed.

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As Lang attempted to get away from the scene in a red sedan, video posted to X showed counter protesters ripping open the door of the car — throwing kicks and attempting to pull him back out onto the street.

Lang posted on X that he was stabbed by “a crazie white commie leftist rioter” and wrote that the tactical vest he was wearing “blocked it.”

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Lefty Minneapolis protesters attack Jan. 6 rioter Jake Lang as he shouts 'we deserve a future for white Americans'

Jake Lang had promised to burn a Quran on the steps of Minneapolis City Hall but ultimately didn’t follow through – and instead was left dodging aggressors.

nypost.com

Democrats are the Party of Violence of sore losers who have no ideas on how to govern. They're out in Minnesota now committing an insurrection to take the state over by force.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Democrats are the Party of Violence of sore losers who have no ideas on how to govern. They're out in Minnesota now committing an insurrection to take the state over by force.

Tangential story: I was in a social media Latin-America group and some poor soul came in asking about a country's acceptance of trans people. The overall response was, "It's a conservative Catholic country. Don't expect everyone to affirm it, but no one will give you much **** about it. Just live your life quietly and humbly and you'll be fine."

One poor soul (I can't remember if it was the OP or in the comments) said that she is looking to escape the US because MAGA fascists are putting gay and trans people on death lists and she fears for her life.

My heart broke for her. It disgusts me that the left is lying to the mentally ill and toying with their lives and emotions just to try to weaponize their movements. It's disgusting to do that to people.

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When you see some of these things, remember that it's in large part anarchist-psychos, but it's probably also a lot of really damaged, really scared people who are being manipulated by puppet-masters with no souls.

 

[appvol]

 

[n_huffhines]

The dumbest people that have ever existed are in charge rn

 

[appvol]