Too much ice

[BeardedVol]

You are creating scenarios that do not exist.
Courts recognize vehicles as Deadly Weapons if used to ram.
If the driver accelerates directly at you, shooting to stop is often reasonable.
She had no path other than through him.

1-16.000 - Department of Justice Policy On Use Of Force

www.justice.gov

Renee Good backed up and turned her wheel to avoid him, and Jonathan Ross extricated himself from the front of the vehicle as evidenced by the fact that he was able to fire into it 3 times, once from the front and two from the side.

 

[NashVol11]

Oh, so you quoted the wrong post. Your bad!

No, I didn't. Read my post again and apologize for wasting everyone's time

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

Furthermore ICE has no authority to conduct a traffic stop against a US citizen

They most certainly did in this situation, Cables.

 

[allstar34]

He should be suspended.
This isn't what his job calls him to do.

 

[TrumpedUpVol]

No, I didn't. Read my post again and apologize for wasting everyone's time

The post you quoted didn’t have any capitalization errors. No wonder you needed to bartend a few years before you realized you could coast on the DEI angle.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You can bet whatever you want, I've linked the DOJ policy on the use of deadly force for you to read.

No he should not have placed himself in front her her car to begin with. He placed himself in danger by doing so, and it's from a 'use of deadly force perspective' it's reasonable to expect a federal officer to not intentionally put themselves in harms way to justify the use of deadly force.

Furthermore ICE has no authority to conduct a traffic stop against a US citizen, they should have sucked up their egos and driven around her, and called the situation in to local police if they felt it warranted police intervention.

You're full of "not true".

It'll be justified in the eyes of the law due to the fullness of circumstances and his perspective. He was standing there. The SUV was there. He had X amount of reaction time. Is it reasonable to allow that he reasonably thought his life was in danger?

That's from our ICE-hating attny on here that specializes in this, and it's from several attnies I've listened to talking about this specific case. It's not from liberal knuckleheads online that are grasping at pearls and straws to generate some fuel for their political agenda.

And for the record, I looked it up and posted it in this thread. ICE has the authority to stop, detain or arrest anyone who is trying to obstruct their activities--as well as any other felonies observed, I do believe.

 

[allstar34]

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1-16.000 - Department of Justice Policy On Use Of Force

www.justice.gov

Renee Good backed up and turned her wheel to avoid him, and Jonathan Ross extricated himself from the front of the vehicle as evidenced by the fact that he was able to fire into it 3 times, once from the front and two from the side.

Fortunately for J.R. and anyone else ever involved in a situation identically to this incident, your highlights do not matter.
He was hit with the car and didn't have time to move.
Let's revisit this after the courts decide. No reason to continue to go back and forth any longer.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Great to see so many Patriotic Americans out today participating in anti-ICE protests all across the Country. Beautiful sight!

 

[BeardedVol]

federal agents can detain citizens if they have probable cause to believe they've committed a crime or violated federal law

ICE cannot detain US citizens unless they attempt to directly impede ICE operations to detain non-citizens, and they certainly can't try to enforce local traffic laws.

 

[allstar34]

ICE cannot detain US citizens unless they attempt to directly impede ICE operations to detain non-citizens, and they certainly can't try to enforce local traffic laws.

They can arrest or detain anyone (including U.S. citizens) for certain federal crimes committed in their presence, such as misdemeanors, or for felonies if they have reasonable grounds—especially if they are performing immigration-related duties. This includes crimes like interfering with or impeding an ICE operation (e.g., obstructing an arrest, assaulting an officer, or blocking agents).
ICE is actively performing immigration-related duties in Minn.

 

[Orange_Crush]

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury... Good day. First, he should be found guilty because he should not have stood in front of the SUV. It was a failure of his position as a federal agent NOT to assume that she was a homicidal maniac that may run him over."



"Also... Ahem... He should be found guilty because, after having reversed and turned her SUV in such a way that he was in her path a mere couple of feet in front of the SUV, when she accelerated in his direction, he assumed that she was a homicidal maniac that was trying to run him over."

 

[BeardedVol]

They can arrest or detain anyone (including U.S. citizens) for certain federal crimes committed in their presence, such as misdemeanors, or for felonies if they have reasonable grounds—especially if they are performing immigration-related duties. This includes crimes like interfering with or impeding an ICE operation (e.g., obstructing an arrest, assaulting an officer, or blocking agents).
ICE is actively performing immigration-related duties in Minn.

There was no federal crime committed in their presence. The can't enforce local traffic laws. They had no business getting out of their vehicle and instigating the confrontation.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Did your mommy tell you to say that one?
You couldn't think of that one on your own.

I should not,yet have allowed myself to stoop to your level of child like insults. I know what to do.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

I should not,yet have allowed myself to stoop to your level of child like insults. I know what to do.

So you'll go home and cry to mommy?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Democrats are advocating against their own citizens. They are saying they want
the bad people here in our cities. And we want them to cause chaos and problems in our streets and to keep our communities less safe.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Not smart either

True but sometimes it seems your voice is not otherwise heard. Our country was founded by a bunch of discontents.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Democrats are advocating against their own citizens. They are saying they want
the bad people here in our cities. And we want them to cause chaos and problems in our streets and to keep our communities less safe.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

True but sometimes it seems your voice is not otherwise heard. Our country was founded by a bunch of discontents.

Tell us more oh wise one.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[swampfoxfan]

So?

Why shouldn't he have stood in front of her car? Like I said earlier, I've walked out in front of many cars just today. Some parked. Some were even moving. I'm not here to debate what would be reasonable in his mind, per reaction times, being in front of the car.

You seem to be making a huge deal that he walked in front of her car. Why is that a big deal?

Without walking in front of goods car,Ross wouldn't have had an excuse to execute her.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Without walking in front of goods car,Ross wouldn't have had an excuse to execute her.

Smart logic right there. She wanted to run him down.
He was justified in the shooting of the loon lady.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Without walking in front of goods car,Ross wouldn't have had an excuse to execute her.

That'll hold up in court, especially considering the fact that she reversed the SUV and changed its orientation to him, putting him most directly in front of the SUV.

Have they subpoenaed you as the prosecution's psychic to go under oath and assure the jury that he wasn't just walking over to get on the same side of the vehicle as his partner and record the interaction on his phone for their own protection? (I mean, these were folks that had been harassing them all day, likely seeking a video that would paint ICE in a poor light.)

 

[RockyTop85]

For the record this is making the rounds on twitter and I do not follow the person tweeting it but this video over 3 minutes long clearly shows she was parked in the middle of the street. Pulling up and parking your car in the middle of the road to block traffic sort of eliminates the peaceful protesting part.

Does the rest of this video exist?

Tangential: you saw her getting passed by multiple cars and waving people by and concluded that she was blocking traffic as part of a non-peaceful protest?

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Minneapolis/Minnesota needs to break away from the USA if they hate us this bad..

 

[apevol]

Swampy has sided w/the lunatics in trying to protect them what his leaders told him.

every single Somalian has to go back?