Too much ice

[InVOLuntary]

I was curious about this and the car parked in front of her with the door open.

She had been intentionally block ICE all day. It was her job.

 

[InVOLuntary]

That was almost as needless.

DO you think an unarmed Ashli Babbitt posed an equal, greater or less risk as the woman driving a 4000# SUV that had been blocking ICE all day prior?

 

[FLVOL_79]

How are they remotely the same? This woman went out of her way to inject herself into the situation she got herself into. The government went out of their way in the other scenario.

You answered your own question.

 

[whodeycin85]

Some of y'all are gonna be upset when body cams come out....there are still shots showing where when she initially accelerated the tires were point at the agent who was of to the front left of the vehicle which is consistent which the bullet hole in the windshield. After the initial shot the car takes a hard turn as if she slumped on the wheel and took a sharp curve to the right.....

 

[GVF]

I was curious about this and the car parked in front of her with the door open.

In more vssible clips, she was blocking the road to allow a vehicle to escape a driveway. illegals maybe?

 

[luthervol]

So, how many continuums do you have wall papered around your man cave, and do you have a hamm radio.

On the continuum of "likely to own a hamm radio", I would be at the unlikely extreme.

But I do understand that most everything belongs on a continuum.

 

[FLVOL_79]

If you’re comparing this to Ruby Ridge then you know absolutely jack about what went down. Two completely different situations. Both of them the result of massive government overreach One has nothing to do with the other. ICE has no business on our streets snatching up law abiding people. But they didn’t come to her house and shoot her while she was holding a child. Don’t talk about what you don’t know about.

THIS is what I'm talking about. No one had to die in either scenario.

 

[FLVOL_79]

So I'm sure you were up in arms over the Ashli Babbitt "murder".

Not up in arms about any. Both unnecessary. Both fell victim to the Trump admin mantra of "FAFO" which in this case meant dead.

 

[GVF]

????
Are you saying you have never done anything dumb that put you in harms way?

With LE. Nope. Too sensible for that. If I know I'm the one that got blue lighted while he is doing his 180, I'll already be pulled over waiting.

 

[FLVOL_79]

There is video evidence that makes this statement of yours factually a lie.

Not the video I saw. IS there another one where the LEO who shot her got hit? I see him "taking a bad angle" at the SUV then deftly shimming to his right while drawing and shooting.

 

[FLVOL_79]

????
Are you saying you have never done anything dumb that put you in harms way?

Does it have to be in America? Does Iraq and Afghanistan count? Asking for a friend.

 

[GVF]

On the continuum of "likely to own a hamm radio", I would be at the unlikely extreme.

But I do understand that most everything belongs on a continuum.

My vision of your continuums are a line of weenie dogs chasing their tails.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Some of y'all are gonna be upset when body cams come out....there are still shots showing where when she initially accelerated the tires were point at the agent who was of to the front left of the vehicle which is consistent which the bullet hole in the windshield. After the initial shot the car takes a hard turn as if she slumped on the wheel and took a sharp curve to the right.....

That's a red herring. The law does not expect him to know her intentions, or the direction her tires were pointed.

 

[GVF]

Not the video I saw. IS there another one where the LEO who shot her got hit? I see him "taking a bad angle" at the SUV then deftly shimming to his right while drawing and shooting.

It's in this thread actually if you care to search for it. View from the front. If I can find it, I'll roll it forward. It negates some arguments in here so it got left behind.

 

[whodeycin85]

That's a red herring. The law does not expect him to know her intentions, or the direction her tires were pointed.

The point is that regardless of her intentions...still shot show she was aimed at him...even if her intentions were to turn away....she shouldn't have accelerated like she did on icy roads...she messed up and her intentions don't matter....and if it comes out she did clip him it even more justified .

 

[FLVOL_79]

Some of y'all are gonna be upset when body cams come out....there are still shots showing where when she initially accelerated the tires were point at the agent who was of to the front left of the vehicle which is consistent which the bullet hole in the windshield. After the initial shot the car takes a hard turn as if she slumped on the wheel and took a sharp curve to the right.....

Enjoy being wrong:

506K views · 1.1K reactions | *GRAPHIC* Multiple angles show the moment an ICE agent fatally shot a woman identified as 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good. | KARE 11

*GRAPHIC* Multiple angles show the moment an ICE agent fatally shot a woman identified as 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good.

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[GVF]

This video is damning for the suspect

@FLVOL_79

 

[luthervol]

Well, at least genuinely seeking religious experts can agree on the basis of the standard and debate from that as the authority, as opposed to wrapping themselves in contradictions while claiming there are no contradictions.

Muslims, Jews, Christians......all worshiping the same god with the same standard...lol
Give me a break. You can be as "religious" as you wish, just spare me your condescending nonsense on morality.

So, your argument is that morality is a social construct, except that the social construct does not exist.

Of course morality is a social construct - on multiple levels - as well as an individual choice - and they often are not aligned

Society is the moral standard, which means that slavery was the moral option, which means that abolitionists were immoral.

Abolitionists were more moral than society at large....as proven with time.......morality if often necessarily fluid

etc... etc...

You say that the agent murdered the woman, the legal definition be damned? Does that mean simply that he should go to jail merely for offending your sensibilities?

No he shouldn't go to jail based on my moral judgement that he murdered the woman.

No more so than a woman who has an abortion should go to jail because someone views that as murder.
It's up to society to decide...

 

[appvol]

No one believes that he had to shoot her in order to save his own life.

That stance would be beyond stupid.

It’s a stupid stance to say he wasn’t protecting himself

 

[whodeycin85]

Enjoy being wrong:

506K views · 1.1K reactions | *GRAPHIC* Multiple angles show the moment an ICE agent fatally shot a woman identified as 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good. | KARE 11

*GRAPHIC* Multiple angles show the moment an ICE agent fatally shot a woman identified as 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good.

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If she was turning right from the start there is no feasible way the **** is place where it's at or that she was able to graze or nudge the agent..

 

[luthervol]

DO you think an unarmed Ashli Babbitt posed an equal, greater or less risk as the woman driving a 4000# SUV that had been blocking ICE all day prior?

To society at large? Slightly more.

 

[Orange_Crush]

The point is that regardless of her intentions...still shot show she was aimed at him...even if her intentions were to turn away....she shouldn't have accelerated like she did on icy roads...she messed up and her intentions don't matter....and if it comes out she did clip him it even more justified .

She inserted herself into a law enforcement operation, tried to flee being detained, panicked, accelerated her SUV at a LEO who then (panicked and?) shot her in self-defense. The law will merely ask if it is reasonable to expect him to have felt his life was in danger. I suspect the law will find that it was a justified shooting, as it is reasonable to expect him to have felt his life was in danger.

If either of them had made different decisions, she would be alive. It's sad. Terribly, terribly sad. I wish she hadn't received the outcomes of her incredibly bad decisions, just as I am glad of all the times I didn't receive the outcomes of all of my stupid decisions.

That doesn't change the fact that it will be found a legally justified shooting, and it will not be because the Feds put their thumb on the scale to get that.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Nope. Speaking of your opinion... I thought it is that morality is nothing more than a social construct/agreement. It would seem that our laws would be the best representation of that social agreement, but it would also seem that you are in here arguing against the shooting at a "moral" level, as opposed to a "legal" level.



I bet you 1000 VN bucks that the shooting will be deemed legally justified, and not murder--by the legal definitions on the books, just as LG has predicted. Where does your social construct come from then? In what will you base you moral outrage at that point? Perhaps not as "simple" as you think?

Everyone who knows anything about a grand jury knows it will be deemed a justified action. No charges will be brought against the murderer.

 

[whodeycin85]

Enjoy being wrong:

506K views · 1.1K reactions | *GRAPHIC* Multiple angles show the moment an ICE agent fatally shot a woman identified as 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good. | KARE 11

*GRAPHIC* Multiple angles show the moment an ICE agent fatally shot a woman identified as 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good.

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If you watch the last slow motion you see the tires pointed at the agent. Before she starts turning...enjoy being wrong which way are the tires pointed??? Exhaust shows she accelerate...

 

[Majors]

This won't age well.

Grasping at straws to fill a segment.