Too much ice

[Orange_Crush]

where did I say, or even imply, that?

It was tongue in cheek, satirizing the liberal responses over the years:

"Being born black should not be a death penalty."

"Merely driving your SUV should not be a death penalty."

"if you don't want to get run over, don't stand in front of an SUV..." Wait, not that one...


It's a **** way to try to have conversations--removing all the nuance for political capital.

 

[C-south]

You have a right to protest but have NO right(s) to interfere w/Federal agents
who are doing their job of arresting and the deportation of illegals.

Minnesota: “We refuse to work with ICE or any federal agency.”

also Minnesota: “The federal government won’t let us participate in their investigation.”

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

No doubt about it.
And he needlessly murdered her.

Again it wasn't murder. But only to lunatics like you it is.

 

[luthervol]

Guess you could rule it a suicide if you agree she put herself in harms way.

That's some incredibly stupid logic.

I've put myself in harms way numerous times during the course of my life.

Luckily, no idiot needlessly shot me in the face.

 

[RockyTop85]

yeah, that doesn't mean as much as you think it does. way too many questionable shootings have been ruled justified to really make people buy that.

Do you think that the legal deference given to police officers in these situations is worth it?

This was not morally justified or of questionable moral justification. It seems like all but the most extreme are on board with that view of the video.

If the policy justification for the officer not facing charges is intended to allow officers to act without hesitation in other circumstances (e.g. the guy who drove his car into the parade crowd a few years ago) is that a worthwhile trade off?

Tl;dr: would he face charges under a more perfect system?

 

[Orange_Crush]

WTH?!?!?!

Did you respond to the wrong post?

Nope. Speaking of your opinion... I thought it is that morality is nothing more than a social construct/agreement. It would seem that our laws would be the best representation of that social agreement, but it would also seem that you are in here arguing against the shooting at a "moral" level, as opposed to a "legal" level.

And OJ was found innocent.

The legal ruling has no impact on the fact that he needlessly murdered a woman.....and it's as simple as that.

I bet you 1000 VN bucks that the shooting will be deemed legally justified, and not murder--by the legal definitions on the books, just as LG has predicted. Where does your social construct come from then? In what will you base you moral outrage at that point? Perhaps not as "simple" as you think?

 

[ETV]

Why was she in the middle of the street?

 

[C-south]

That's some incredibly stupid logic.

I've put myself in harms way numerous times during the course of my life.

Luckily, no idiot needlessly shot me in the face.

Have you tried to run over law enforcement?

 

[RockyTop85]

Why was she in the middle of the street?

I was curious about this and the car parked in front of her with the door open.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

That's some incredibly stupid logic.

I've put myself in harms way numerous times during the course of my life.

Luckily, no idiot needlessly shot me in the face.

You are lucky so far if you're dumb to do what she did. Being paid to interfere
with a lawfull police stop & commanded to get out w/out doing so can lead to not so nice & friendly chit chat w/LEO at the time of intense activity..

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Why was she in the middle of the street?

Harassing LEO by obstruction of justice procedures.

 

[luthervol]

Nope. Speaking of your opinion... I thought it is that morality is nothing more than a social construct/agreement. It would seem that our laws would be the best representation of that social agreement, but it would also seem that you are in here arguing against the shooting at a "moral" level, as opposed to a "legal" level.



I bet you 1000 VN bucks that the shooting will be deemed legally justified, and not murder--by the legal definitions on the books, just as LG has predicted. Where does your social construct come from then? In what will you base you moral outrage at that point? Perhaps not as "simple" as you think?

Are you under the impression that my moral code is completely aligned with society's?

Well it's not. I would safely assume that no one's is.

Just as "religious experts" are not aligned.

 

[Orange_Crush]

There seems to be several people in here arguing "morality" when they actually mean "that ICE agent offends my sensibilities so he should rot in jail, the law be damned". I guess if they were a bit more transparent, it wouldn't carry as much weight in discussion.

 

[Vol8188]

lol....
You said it was self defense.....that's simply absurd. He increased his risk of being injured by shooting her.

Self defense would have been simply stepping out of the way.

Play all the legal games you wish....he either panicked or he is scum....or maybe both.

Just to be clear the woman who was helping illegals evade ice and then tried to drive off and possibly even hit an agent with her vehicle while doing so….

She is not scum in your mind? Only the man who acted in self defense?

 

[InVOLuntary]

@swampfoxfan

You really need to work on your quoting skills.


"You belive ms Babbitt was using a pair of fingernail clippers to smash the glass to gain entry,along with a lot of other choir members, to Mayberry hold a prayer meeting, then OK.
What I saw was a woman using a large object to Break into the capita inner chamber leadin.a mob calling to kill a US congresswoman and hang a sitting Vice President.

You and spacecadet saw a woman running over peace loving ice agents, and as trump declared hospitalized with life threatening injuries.

What I used my eyes to see was an ice agents charging a car with weapon drawn.as the car passed by without touching him he fired shot into her face murdering her."

Just go ahead and say it. It's ok for police to kill someone as long it isn't one you align with.

Who do you think had the potential to do more harm, the lady with the 400# SUV or the one who had nothing but her $130# unarmed body (she didn't break the window, it was already broken)? The lady that tried to run over the ice agents had been breaking the law all day long, admitted to by her comrades, "she was doing a great job of blocking them". As to your point of them charging her car with guns out, that's 100% fabrication. The one cop drew his weapon as she was punching the gas. He shot her through the front windshield so that also blows up your lying fabricationt hat he shot her through the side window. Admit it it's ok for you commies to kill as long as they differ politically.

So back to my question:

Is this a FAFO scenario as you claimed with Ashli Babbitt? Is this a play stupid games, win stupid prizes as you claimed with Ashli Babbitt? Come on show your true self. No need to answer, I know it.

 

[luthervol]

Have you tried to run over law enforcement?

Nope.....and neither did she. But let's not stray to far off the point.

We have all done dumb things that put us in harms way.....

We can call it the "dumb things that put us in harms way continuum"

 

[C-south]

Nope.....and neither did she. But let's not stray to far off the point.

We have all done dumb things that put us in harms way.....

We can call it the "dumb things that put us in harms way continuum"

Typical of why nobody takes you seriously.

 

[GVF]

No doubt about it.
And he needlessly murdered her.

Which wouldn't have happened if she had gone to Dunkin Donuts instead of blocking ICE with her vehicle to let illegals get out of the driveway. She was committing a felony at the time of her unfortunate passing.

 

[luthervol]

Just to be clear the woman who was helping illegals evade ice and then tried to drive off and possibly even hit an agent with her vehicle while doing so….

She is not scum in your mind? Only the man who acted in self defense?

I have no idea where she would be on the "scum" continuum.....
but a good chance not as far to the bad side as the guy who needlessly murdered her.

 

[InVOLuntary]

No doubt about it.
And he needlessly murdered her.

Did they needlessly murder Ashli Babbitt? Or does her being MAGA make it acceptable?

 

[GVF]

Nope.....and neither did she. But let's not stray to far off the point.

We have all done dumb things that put us in harms way.....

We can call it the "dumb things that put us in harms way continuum"

So, how many continuums do you have wall papered around your man cave, and do you have a hamm radio.

 

[luthervol]

Typical of why nobody takes you seriously.

????
Are you saying you have never done anything dumb that put you in harms way?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Have you tried to run over law enforcement?

Maybe he should go test his theory.

 

[luthervol]

Did they needlessly murder Ashli Babbitt? Or does her being MAGA make it acceptable?

That was almost as needless.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Are you under the impression that my moral code is completely aligned with society's?

Well it's not. I would safely assume that no one's is.

Just as "religious experts" are not aligned.

Well, at least genuinely seeking religious experts can agree on the basis of the standard and debate from that as the authority, as opposed to wrapping themselves in contradictions while claiming there are no contradictions.

So, your argument is that morality is a social construct, except that the social construct does not exist.

Society is the moral standard, which means that slavery was the moral option, which means that abolitionists were immoral.

etc... etc...

You say that the agent murdered the woman, the legal definition be damned? Does that mean simply that he should go to jail merely for offending your sensibilities?