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n_huffhines said:
Acting like idiot thugs and she's supposed to read their minds that they mean her no harm.

She panicked because of them so they panicked because they're dip$#its and now she's dead. This is why we don't want ICE militarizing our cities. **** all you bootlickers
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Right or wrong (and I'm not arguing that they're in the right), when a LEO tells a driver to exit the vehicle, the law says the driver must comply. "Panic" is not a defense. "Fear " is not a defense. "Militarization" is not a defense.
 
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bamawriter said:
Right or wrong (and I'm not arguing that they're in the right), when a LEO tells a driver to exit the vehicle, the law says the driver must comply. "Panic" is not a defense. "Fear " is not a defense. "Militarization" is not a defense.
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Is running the officer over a defense? Surely that must be a defense. If not, what kind of country do we live in? Do we really want to live in a country where we have law enforcement doing their jobs, and running them over with our vehicles is not justified?

I mean, if law enforcement wasn't out law enforcing, they wouldn't be there to be run over by our vehicles. This is very simple, not-unhinged logic.
 
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bamawriter said:
Right or wrong (and I'm not arguing that they're in the right), when a LEO tells a driver to exit the vehicle, the law says the driver must comply. "Panic" is not a defense. "Fear " is not a defense. "Militarization" is not a defense.
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Who cares? Why is an ICE agent in a city detaining Americans? We don't want this interaction in the first place.

The constitution doesn't give the federal government the power to regulate and enforce immigration. Find me the constitutional justification for him aggressively stopping her and cursing at her.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Can I just say in the slow mo video, it is clear you see the front tires spin as if they are on ice or wet payment. Before gaining traction you can see the agent start to pull his gun.

I personally think there won't be a case here, but I also can see how the sound of engine revving up with the sound of tires sliding / spinning in place from a car directly in front of you would make you feel in danger to point of pulling your firearm. Especially in a split second.

Very tragic circumstance, but totally unavoidable.
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LOL. It was 100% avoidable. It's called listening
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who cares?
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The unfortunately deceased should have cared.
n_huffhines said:
Why is an ICE agent in a city detaining Americans? We don't want this interaction in the first place.
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Not disagreeing with you. But they have that authority.
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The constitution doesn't give the federal government the power to regulate and enforce immigration. Find me the constitutional justification for him aggressively stopping her and cursing at her.
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You're partially right. The Consitution doesn't even contain the word "immigration." But roughly 2 centuries of case law says that the federal government has exactly that power.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who cares? 1. Why is an ICE agent in a city detaining Americans? 2. We don't want this interaction in the first place.

The constitution doesn't give the federal government the power to regulate and enforce immigration. Find me the constitutional justification for him aggressively stopping her and cursing at her.
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1. Because they are interfering.

2. It's pretty simple. Stop interfering.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Acting like idiot thugs and she's supposed to read their minds that they mean her no harm.

She panicked because of them so they panicked because they're dip$#its and now she's dead. This is why we don't want ICE militarizing our cities. **** all you bootlickers
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I am critical of the policy of the ICE presence. This was an entirely predictable event flowing from that and I agree with that criticism.

I'm just saying that the officer acted lawfully under the circumstances.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am critical of the policy of the ICE presence. This was an entirely predictable event flowing from that and I agree with that criticism.

I'm just saying that the officer acted lawfully under the circumstances.
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This is basically where I'm at. I don't have to defend ICE and all of their methods to acknowledge that this was a lawful use of force.
 
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hog88 said:
From what I’ve seen in the various videos, in this case no. He may be legally justified in using deadly force but he didn’t have to.
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Seems hard to tell someone you believe they were assaulted, you believe there’s a case for attempted murder, but also that they were wrong to react in a defensive manner
 
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hog88 said:
From what I’ve seen in the various videos, in this case no. He may be legally justified in using deadly force but he didn’t have to.
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From the looks of it and the use of force process...he follow every step before firing.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Seems hard to tell someone you believe they were assaulted, you believe there’s a case for attempted murder, but also that they were wrong to react in a defensive manner
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She tried to kill you with a SUV, but you should not have defended yourself with a gun.

On one hand, I can understand the thought: It sure would be nice if he'd just jumped out of the way and that woman would still be alive. On the other, it's a completely different thing to say he should not have fired. That's a hard distinction when someone revs 4000 lbs of vehicle at and into you.

We can all agree that we'd all have preferred a different ending to this.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Seems hard to tell someone you believe they were assaulted, you believe there’s a case for attempted murder, but also that they were wrong to react in a defensive manner
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As I posted earlier, get out of the cars way and arrest her later. Again, he may be legally justified I just wouldn’t have pulled the trigger. The last option a law enforcement officer uses should be deadly force.
 
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hog88 said:
And he still didn’t HAVE to pull the trigger. Just because it’s legal to shoot someone you don’t always have to.
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You don't, just as she didn't have to accelerate toward him, or ignore lawful orders...and individuals morals don't override legality..and as a society legality is what we go by....not saying I like it...but not saying he shouldn't have protected himself in a state with a history of it citizens using their vehicles as weapons..
 
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whodeycin85 said:
You don't, just as she didn't have to accelerate toward him, or ignore lawful orders...and individuals morals don't override legality..and as a society legality is what we go by....not saying I like it...but not saying he shouldn't have protected himself in a state with a history of it citizens using their vehicles as weapons..
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I don’t disagree, she set the stage for her own death so she’s not an innocent.

Where did I say he shouldn’t have protected himself? BTW his shot didn’t keep him from being run over, it was him jumping out of the way. So was shooting her really protecting himself?
 
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hog88 said:
I don’t disagree, she set the stage for her own death so she’s not an innocent.

Where did I say he shouldn’t have protected himself? BTW his shot didn’t keep him from being run over, it was him jumping out of the way. So was shooting her really protecting himself?
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Can you confirm that that turning wasn't a result of her getting shot and that was her intention??? Her wheels are straight as she accelerates you hear the **** and see the finished turning...and if it is confirm she hit him the. It even more justified....
 
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