Too much ice

[bamawriter]

It will probably matter in his defense.

He won't need a defense. In the unlikely event that MN tries to charge him, it'll be kicked to federal jurisdiction immediately and the feds certainly won't pursue it.

 

[Volfan8282]

He won't need a defense. In the unlikely event that MN tries to charge him, it'll be kicked to federal jurisdiction immediately and the feds certainly won't pursue it.

Fair enough. I haven’t paid that close attention to the legal fallout. Terribly sad situation any way you look at it.

 

[NashVol11]

At some point people have to stop buying this garbage

 

[whodeycin85]

So the lady filming is the driver wife who got out of the car to film the interaction.....reports are they were following and harassing agents throughout the day..... speculation starting that this is what they wanted it just went further then they thought it would...

 

[appvol]

At some point people have to stop buying this garbage

At some point the left is going to have to stop being violent

 

[appvol]

 

[appvol]

 

[EasternVol]

Shouldn’t use your car as a weapon.

You shouldn't. She didn't though did she?

 

[bamawriter]

If it's true that the agents stood around, offered no aid, and blocked any kind of care for 15 minutes until EMS arrived, that is outrageous.

 

[C-south]

At some point people have to stop buying this garbage

At some point people are going to have to grow up and give up their pointless protests and temper tantrums especially in the places they choose to do them. When will the loonies learn they aren’t important and they aren’t making a difference and they shouldn’t be so reckless with their lives.

 

[n_huffhines]

The unfortunately deceased should have cared.


Not disagreeing with you. But they have that authority.


You're partially right. The Consitution doesn't even contain the word "immigration." But roughly 2 centuries of case law says that the federal government has exactly that power.

Yeah, if you're into expansion beyond what the constitution appropriates, fine. But I know 2/3 of you right wingers claim to be for small federal government and original intent.

 

[n_huffhines]

I am critical of the policy of the ICE presence. This was an entirely predictable event flowing from that and I agree with that criticism.

I'm just saying that the officer acted lawfully under the circumstances.

The problem is 90% of the conversation is about whether or not the ICE agent is gonna be in trouble when that should be consideration #27.

 

[EasternVol]

This video is damning for the suspect

Looks like it's damning for the shooter, if that's who you mean by suspect.

 

[bamawriter]

Yeah, if you're into expansion beyond what the constitution appropriates, fine. But I know 2/3 of you right wingers claim to be for small federal government and original intent.

The word "border(s)" is not in the Constitution. Does that mean that the US has no defined borders?

 

[n_huffhines]

What really is the tragic and disturbing point that i'm noticing is that this one death has been deemed one too many from one side of the aisle involving immigration policy while these same people for 4 years did not say a word about 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 murders being "one too many" involving immigration policy.

The people who say by and never once spoke out about the government immigration policy not being 100% efficient are now crying about the government's immigration policy not being 100% efficient. The people who cried and complained daily about the immigration policy being to lazy are now quiet about the government immigration policy being such a broad brush stroke.

I said this in the Venezuela thread I think, but this is has been the easiest time to tune out of politics completely on 90% of things. We are dealing with a 12 year run of pendulum swings on policy areas where we know what the end result will be.

It is truly hard to be shocked at anything nowadays. And the majority of the country was completely fine with it going on this long (9 years and counting).

The difference is I'm far more concerned with a government that violates our rights and might kill us without consequence than I am with the reality that we live among immigrant and non-immigrant civilians who might kill us, but they will face consequences.

 

[swampfoxfan]

You’re expecting a lot of someone to analyze someone’s intention that’s behind a vehicle and coming toward you…. All in about a half second.

That's total Bull sh**. Her car was moving very slowly he was in NO danger,he wasn't hit or run over,as donnie put it, magas are happy to let ice murder citizens. Now maga tell me again about Obama ordering a drone attack on terrorist in the desert. He was a US citizen you people treated like a Sunday school teacher.

 

[hndog609]

You shouldn't. She didn't though did she?

There's a kind of interesting thought in that idea but it's not necessarily a useful one. What we're looking at here is more of a de facto weapon. Vehicles are big metal machines capable of great amounts of mayhem. The vast majority of vehicular deaths are wholly accidental. Someone on foot that wants to make a run for it can be a problem. Someone that's decided "Screw you guys I'm leaving!" in a couple tons of vehicle is a genuine threat regardless of if there is an overt desire to harm anyone or not.

 

[swampfoxfan]

At some point the left is going to have to stop being violent

You call that violent?? Sissy.

 

[BartW]

There's a kind of interesting thought in that idea but it's not necessarily a useful one. What we're looking at here is more of a de facto weapon. Vehicles are big metal machines capable of great amounts of mayhem. The vast majority of vehicular deaths are wholly accidental. Someone on foot that wants to make a run for it can be a problem. Someone that's decided "Screw you guys I'm leaving!" in a couple tons of vehicle is a genuine threat regardless of if there is an overt desire to harm anyone or not.

A moving vehicle with a dead driver, now that is a genuine threat

 

[appvol]

You call that violent?? Sissy.

The ICE agent did

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[hndog609]

A moving vehicle with a dead driver, now that is a genuine threat

Potentially yes, particularly if there is any amount of speed involved. Of course a vehicle with no driver is incapable of any actual volition that can lead to harm.

 

[appvol]

That's total Bull sh**. Her car was moving very slowly he was in NO danger,he wasn't hit or run over,as donnie put it, magas are happy to let ice murder citizens. Now maga tell me again about Obama ordering a drone attack on terrorist in the desert. He was a US citizen you people treated like a Sunday school teacher.

 

[Majors]

Ot really is frustrating. That mayor needs to be reeled in. He has no clue what he's talking about.

Pandering

 

[volfanhill]

You call that violent?? Sissy.

My sympathy level for her is exactly the same as what I have for Ashli Babbitt. Which another poster pointed out. Dumb assses who did things that can get you killed. Send it to a grand jury and let's see what happens. Don't get shot if you don't smash windows at the capitol. Don't get shot if you get out of the car. Don't get shot if you don't try to drive in the direction of a cop in close quarters.

Should ICE be doing this? IMO no. And I don't think it's what those who broke for Trump regarding immigration voted for

Should she comply? Of course. Should she not drive her car at them? Obviously.