Too much ice

[utvolpj]

Why was she even parked across the road blocking ICE in the first place? The impending results were preventable by her before it ever happened. She was hte catalyst that caused the reaction.

Because ice was already blocking the road. See the suburban

 

[GVF]

Now reports that the shooter was drug by a car last June.

If that's true, it explains his brash reaction.

 

[TheDeeble]

All of which of course warrants her being shot in the head?

For people who believe the 2nd amendment exists to protect them from 'government tyranny', you sure jump at the chance to support extrajudicial executions.

When you drive your car into the middle of the road among a group of officers and there are officers on the side of/in front of your vehicle, then you need to be careful how you drive out of that situation. She put herself in that situation.

As I said in an earlier post. I don't think she was trying to hit him, but she clipped him. Shooting at her feels excessive, but I doubt he knew in that fraction of a second if she was turning away from him or coming at him.

I'm kinda with Hogg on this.

 

[appvol]

 

[C-south]

All of which of course warrants her being shot in the head?

For people who believe the 2nd amendment exists to protect them from 'government tyranny', you sure jump at the chance to support extrajudicial executions.

Why are people so stupid to keep interjecting themselves in these activities? These loonies want to be part of something so bad and feel they make a difference. They’re not.

 

[GroverCleveland]

No, I would get out of their way and arrest them later with a charge of assaulting and officer and attempted murder on top of whatever minor charge they had to begin with.

Better course of action than my initial thought which was shoot the driver.

 

[hndog609]

Why was she even parked across the road blocking ICE in the first place? The impending results were preventable by her before it ever happened. She was hte catalyst that caused the reaction.

This is where the ugly discussion of where the mesh point it between

Don't start nuthin won't be nuthin
and
Great, and now somebody is actually dead.

It is 100% accurate that this woman deliberately put herself in harms way. Absent her actions she's still alive and the opening move in that game was on her.
ALSO
Is it really that easy to go from 0 to lethal force and if it is...should it be?

Also also how long (if not already) before someone posits the bullet hole in the windshield is fake?

 

[hog88]

It's thin. Legal? Based on different angles now popping up...likely. Other options like tires or something? Much better decision, but we weren't there and not in his shoes. He's in a mess regardless. He's definitely on permanent desk duty. Still preventable had she been minding her business or protesting legally. She put them in a position to make a split second decision, good or bad.

I 100% agree with this.

 

[hog88]

With a million or so interactions a day I vehemently disagree with you.

I can understand your disagreement.

 

[GVF]

Because ice was already blocking the road. See the suburban

So, why not just get out of the car when she was told to do so. We can argue the actual shooting all day, and I get both sides. I can look at one video and argue against the cop. I can look at another and say he was justified even if he had a better choice. But the fact is it was 100% on her up to that point that caused the reaction. She had opportunites not to put LE in a position to feel they were justfied in firing. What was she doing in the middle of them in the first place?

 

[GVF]

Why are people so stupid to keep interjecting themselves in these activities? These loonies want to be part of something so bad and feel they make a difference. They’re not.

Paid agitators. Tax free paychecks.

 

[hog88]

Better course of action than my initial thought which was shoot the driver.

Legally the guy might be justified, I wouldn't want it on my conscience.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I fear this whole thing is about to get much worse and divide this country even more, if that is imaginable.

This woman will not be the first. In the videos of the ICE agents dealing with folks blocking their way afterward, I see reasonable restraint. But some idiot is going to bring a gun and it will get real ugly, real fast.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Legally the guy might be justified, I wouldn't want it on my conscience.

You're right. Doubt I would have pulled on her either, but I'm not in their shoes. There are bad decisions being made everywhere right now. People need to calm the F* down and that isn't going to happen.

 

[GVF]

This is where the ugly discussion of where the mesh point it between

Don't start nuthin won't be nuthin
and
Great, and now somebody is actually dead.

It is 100% accurate that this woman deliberately put herself in harms way. Absent her actions she's still alive and the opening move in that game was on her.
ALSO
Is it really that easy to go from 0 to lethal force and if it is...should it be?

Also also how long (if not already) before someone posits the bullet hole in the windshield is fake?

I agree he could have stepped aside and took down the tag.

I also agree that if it's true he had been drug by a car already in a prior event, and this car took off and made contact with him, his reaction is understandable, and possibly legal, and in that moment having already experienced this once rightfully did not consider another action.

Law of physics. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. Protestors should retreat to the sidewalks and do it legally or go home to their own state and get a different job.

There should be a law against being a paid protestor crossing state lines to agitate. Local governments should be responsible enough to say we appreciate your support but please stay home and protest in your own cities. This was not even a person that had sqaut to do with local interests and activities in Minneapolis.

 

[tim]

What’s the solution? Allow illegal criminals to stay in the US? The lefts response is nothing should be done? There are zero solutions coming from the other side, just hate for Trump. Had MN opened their jails and allowed for the deportations of illegal criminals this stuff would likely not be happening. The left wants this anarchy

 

[GVF]

You're right. Doubt I would have pulled on her either, but I'm not in their shoes. There are bad decisions being made everywhere right now. People need to calm the F* down and that isn't going to happen.

100%. I can say I probably wouldn't have, knowing myself. Not being LEO makes it esy for me to say. Can't say for certain I wouldn't have without being in the middle of the mess. Especially when you've been fired upon already around hte country and been the agressee when following your duties, etc., etc. And knowing an FBI agent was plugged in the head just for serving a warrant. In their position with all these crazed anti-Trump paid agitators, no one can say what they would have done or not done in his shoes.

 

[GroverCleveland]

I agree he could have stepped aside and took down the tag.

I also agree that if it's true he had been drug by a car already in a prior event, and this car took off and made contact with him, his reaction is understandable, and possibly legal, and in that moment having already experienced this once rightfully did not consider another action.

Law of physics. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. Protestors should retreat to the sidewalks and do it legally or go home to their own state and get a different job.

There should be a law against being a paid protestor crossing state lines to agitate. Local governments should be responsible enough to say we appreciate your support but please stay home and protest in your own cities. This was not even a person that had sqaut to do with local interests and activities in Minneapolis.

Yep, it is rich that the mayor and governor are complaining about the Feds, but have not heard a word about out-of-state agitators.

 

[hog88]

I agree he could have stepped aside and took down the tag.

I also agree that if it's true he had been drug by a car already in a prior event, and this car took off and made contact with him, his reaction is understandable, and possibly legal, and in that moment having already experienced this once rightfully did not consider another action.

Law of physics. For every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. Protestors should retreat to the sidewalks and do it legally or go home to their own state and get a different job.

There should be a law against being a paid protestor crossing state lines to agitate. Local governments should be responsible enough to say we appreciate your support but please stay home and protest in your own cities. This was not even a person that had sqaut to do with local interests and activities in Minneapolis.

Another thing, they could have easily pulled their car in front of hers to prevent her from "escaping".

 

[GVF]

unless she was violent before hand, there isn't going to be something before hand that justifies them shooting her. Inconvencing ICE doesn't come with a death sentence or imminent violence.

cops approached her. she was passive until that time.

as for what normal cops do, I very much doubt the SOP is to physically stand in front of the vehicle they want moved.

she's not blameless but I would put about 90% of the culpability on the ICE agent.

Before they approached her, they instructed her to exit the car, from several steps away from her door. Then she began to put car in gear and seemingly back up to pthen pull off. Is resisting a passive act in any form ?? She's from Missouri. She left passive status behind when she crossed state lines to agitate in another city for pay.

 

[GVF]

Another thing, they could have easily pulled their car in front of hers to prevent her from "escaping".

Yes. Saw that truck there. Door open. I don't think anyone was in a vehicle anymore in front of her to do so. Could have been an easy resolution to her stupidity if it was doable.

 

[hog88]

What’s the solution? Allow illegal criminals to stay in the US? The lefts response is nothing should be done? There are zero solutions coming from the other side, just hate for Trump. Had MN opened their jails and allowed for the deportations of illegal criminals this stuff would likely not be happening. The left wants this anarchy

In regards to police shootings I think it should be as simple as training them "if there is any other option other than firing your weapon, take it".

 

[GVF]

Yep, it is rich that the mayor and governor are complaining about the Feds, but have not heard a word about out-of-state agitators.

Lot's of egg on face for his immediate tirade off of only one viewing angle. He totally blew that. But, he has no issue lying through the rest of it compensate for his irresponsible behavior. A lot of what he said is going to cause someone else to murder an agent.

Way too many facts to gather to make his kind of statement without those facts. He missed a prime opportunity to add out of state agitators to the list of feds he wants the eff out of his town.

 

[GVF]

In regards to police shootings I think it should be as simple as training them "if there is any other option other than firing your weapon, take it".

I agree, and from the legality of police training handbooks, I'd say they probably do. For everyday LEO i see no issues. Their bosses have already sold them out and they don't even engage anymore if they do respond at all.

 

[GVF]

And just like that, our lefties bailed on the debate. (Supplemental video ??) Kinda boring now without them.


Agent is allegedly a prior victim in being struck by agitator vehicle

Vehicle in fact did make contact with agent

Victim is out of state paid protestor with no ties to, or business impeding LE in Minneapolis. Fed or local.