Too much ice

[theFallGuy]

Someone should tell her that by her definition pretty much all land is stolen.

She going to sell her mansion that's on stolen land?

 

[volsforever27]

Before this, he was amplifying debunked things like Haitians eating pets and the UK having 40,000 Muslims on terror watchlists. He is mostly a conspiracy idiot and "asking people in the neighborhood" doesn't tell you very much about a daycare that only a handful of people would have entered anyway. The fraud case was already open.

Not sure what that last question is about, but you said "now there are deportations" as if his "reporting" exposed this epidemic of fraudulent illegal Somalis but, despite the admin's best efforts, they don't seem to be finding many of those.

You used the term brown people, implying skin color was a factor. That was the obvious question.

And I’m sure it was a huge coincidence the investigation started into that particular scandal as well as the ICE crackdown. Had nothing to do with the videos. There were fraud investigations in other cases.

I’m sure these protests are all organic as well.

 

[NashVol11]

You used the term brown people, implying skin color was a factor. That was the obvious question.

I said Hispanic, because they don't seem to be finding the illegal Somalis they wanted to. That's not a skin color.

And I’m sure it was a huge coincidence the investigation started into that particular scandal as well as the ICE crackdown. Had nothing to do with the videos. There were fraud investigations in other cases.

I'm sure it is why ICE is there, and in fact have repeatedly said so myself. This admin loves conspiracy idiots, I wouldn't be shocked if Catturd got a Cabinet position

I’m sure these protests are all organic as well.

People love throwing out the "paid protestors" thing yet, to a man, have never met one

 

[volsforever27]

I said Hispanic, because they don't seem to be finding the illegal Somalis they wanted to

I'm sure it is why ICE is there, and in fact have repeatedly said so myself. This admin loves conspiracy idiots, look who is in charge of the FBI

People love throwing out the "paid protestors" thing yet, to a man, have never met one

You have to be joking. They have been all over social media admitting it since 2016. They’re proud of it.

 

[NashVol11]

You have to be joking. They have been all over social media admitting it since 2016. They’re proud of it.

You should get less of your news from social media IMO, so much of that is fake.

Have you met a paid protestor? I live in the country's biggest city and I haven't

 

[volsforever27]

You should get less of your news from social media IMO, so much of that is fake.

Have you met a paid protestor? I live in the country's biggest city and I haven't

Yet I know how to use nuance and tell what’s real and what isn’t. The odds of all those videos being fake are slim and none.

In my personal life? I’m a single dad in a small town. The only thing my neighbors would protest is the price of Skoal going up, paid or otherwise.

 

[Orange_Crush]

People love throwing out the "paid protestors" thing yet, to a man, have never met one

I've never met a Russian hooker, so they don't exist.

 

[NashVol11]

I've never met a Russian hooker, so they don't exist.

Have you met dozens of hookers who weren't Russian and zero who were, only to turn around and repeatedly assert that hookers are all Russian or organized by the Russian mob?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Have you met dozens of hookers who weren't Russian and zero who were, only to turn around and repeatedly assert that hookers are all Russian or organized by the Russian mob?

Who is claiming that ALL protestors are paid protestors? I know local police officers that are poured coffee by little old ladies holding anti-ICE signs. lol

Your logic is still broken, my friend. It's OK to concede and refactor.

 

[NashVol11]

Who is claiming that ALL protestors are paid protestors? I know local police officers that are poured coffee by little old ladies holding anti-ICE signs. lol

Your logic is still broken, my friend. It's OK to concede and refactor.

This is a strawman that pretends there's no "or" in my post. It's OK to simply say "fair point" rather than strawmanning

 

[Orange_Crush]

This is a strawman that pretends there's no "or" in my post. It's OK to simply say "fair point" rather than strawmanning

Your OR does not change my point or your logic.

Only to turn around and repeatedly assert that Hookers are ALL:
(1) Russian, OR
(2) Organized by the Russian mob.


I'm sorry, man. Your logic is broken. But that is beside the point and trying to hand-wave the overall point. There are other ways to come to the conclusion that protestors are paid and/or organized. Period.

(A point of irony that has nothing to do with my point: Until you show who has systemically claimed that ALL protestors are paid or organized, your accusations of strawmanning are a self-indictment.)

Again, it's OK to concede and refactor.

 

[NashVol11]

Your OR does not change my point or your logic.

Only to turn around and repeatedly assert that Hookers are ALL:
(1) Russian, OR
(2) Organized by the Russian mob.


I'm sorry, man. Your logic is broken. But that is beside the point and trying to hand-wave the overall point. There are other ways to come to the conclusion that protestors are paid and/or organized. Period.

The thing you underlined has nothing to do with the "overall point" lol

(A point of irony that has nothing to do with my point: Until you show who has systemically claimed that ALL protestors are paid or organized, your accusations of strawmanning are a self-indictment.)

Again, it's OK to concede and refactor.

Incredible levels of pedantry and dishonesty to hand-wave the daily posts of protests with people saying "well they're paid" "this isn't organic" etc. and then when called on it, act like people only meant one or two protestors at one or two protests. If that's the accusation, then the "paid protestors" talking point that gets beaten to death is worthless. Can't have it both ways

 

[Orange_Crush]

The thing you underlined has nothing to do with the "overall point" lol

Incorrect.

Incredible levels of pedantry and dishonesty to hand-wave the daily posts of protests with people saying "well they're paid" "this isn't organic" etc. and then when called on it, act like people only meant one or two protestors at one or two protests. If that's the accusation, then the "paid protestors" talking point that gets beaten to death is worthless. Can't have it both ways

You accuse me of strawmanning for explaining your argument to you?

Listen, like I said, there are lots of ways to come to the conclusion/assumption that many of these protests are organized and/or paid besides "You have to have met at least one". That is an incredible amount of dumb***ery. Your attempts to defend the logic just make it look worse. Feel free to refactor and try again.

 

[NashVol11]

Listen, like I said, there are lots of ways to come to the conclusion/assumption that many of these protests are organized and/or paid besides "You have to have met at least one". That is an incredible amount of dumb***ery. Your attempts to defend the logic just make it look worse. Feel free to refactor and try again.

I didn't say a word about "ways to come to that conclusion." That is a conversation you are having with yourself lol, you should take your own advice and come back (or don't) when you've had a chance to get your strawmen straightened out

 

[NashVol11]

many of these protests are organized and/or paid

Just to skip the next five-paragraph strawman, what percentage of protestors do you think are paid?

 

[Orange_Crush]

I didn't say a word about "ways to come to that conclusion." That is a conversation you are having with yourself lol, you should take your own advice and come back (or don't) when you've had a chance to get your strawmen straightened out

Ah, after accusing me of being pedantic? Your single criteria seems to have been having met one.

Is this really how you want to do this? It's OK to rethink and refactor.

 

[appvol]

 

[Orange_Crush]

Just to skip the next five-paragraph strawman, what percentage of protestors do you think are paid?

I have no idea. What does that have to do with the fact that you seem to have given one ridiculously strange criteria of judgment?

If I formed a belief about any given protestor or group of protestors, it would be based on something besides whether I've ever met one before, I assure you of that.

As example, there seem to have been Signal chats released about the protest Pretti was killed at. Seems to indicate that that particular protest was organized, but likely not paid. No need to meet a Russian Hooker.

 

[NashVol11]

Ah, after accusing me of being pedantic? Your single criteria seems to have been having met one.

Is this really how you want to do this? It's OK to rethink and refactor.

That is not a statement that the only way to hold that belief is to have met one. People can arrive at that assumption however they want, whether or not I think said assumption is supported by credible evidence (which is not limited to meeting one, and I never said otherwise). I think you misinterpreted and are currently doubling down endlessly, which you can stop at any time

 

[Rickyvol77]

Ilhan Omar is the boys mother? And the released father has custody so it’s covered.

No they are taking him back to his moms too

 

[Orange_Crush]

That is not a statement that the only way to hold that belief is to have met one.

You were criticized on the only one given. At least now you've stopped trying to use the pedantic "out" that it wasn't a criteria.

People can arrive at that assumption however they want, whether or not I think said assumption is supported by credible evidence.

I'm glad we agree.

I think you misinterpreted and are currently doubling down endlessly, which you can stop at any time

I was judging the single criteria that you've given and have purposefully, repeatedly encouraging you to refactor if you'd like to do so, as opposed to quadrupling down on a ridiculous criticism of others' claims. You've refactored. Kudos.

 

[NashVol11]

You were criticized on the only one given. At least now you've stopped trying to use the pedantic "out" that it wasn't a criteria.




I'm glad we agree.



I'm judging the single criteria that you've given and have purposefully, repeatedly encouraging you to refactor if you'd like to do so, as opposed to quadrupling down on a ridiculous criticism of others' claims.

What I said was, if anything, a commentary on people's conviction in their belief that there are widespread paid protestors, despite all evidence in their in-person lives pointing in the exact opposite direction. It's not a statement that the sole determinant of whether they exist, or whether one can hold that belief, is whether you've met them. You made that up to start an argument and now keep trying to blame me for your poor reading comprehension

 

[Rickyvol77]

I’ve never heard the lookout angle. Everything I’ve read here has panties all wadded up over the use of social media to coordinate the movement of protesters to where the agents are and then blowing whistles at the protest site. That is not illegal.

Whistles aren’t for “lookouts”. They are used by anarchist training groups like Antifa to disrupt LEO operations and to confuse and distract them as their accomplices help interfere with arrests. They also use them as a psychological tool and to try and permanently damage eardrums of both LEO and any counter protestors at rallies. This is a training ploy that is taught to the professional “protestors” and is well known in LEO circles. They don’t use it in most states bc they would be arrested more often

 

[Orange_Crush]

What I said was, if anything, a commentary on people's conviction in their belief that there are widespread paid protestors, despite all evidence in their in-person lives pointing in the exact opposite direction. It's not a statement that the sole determinant of whether they exist is whether you've met them. You made that up to start an argument and now keep trying to blame me for your poor reading comprehension

Again:

I was judging the single criteria that you've given and have purposefully, repeatedly encouraging you to refactor if you'd like to do so, as opposed to quadrupling down on a ridiculous criticism of others' claims. You've refactored. Kudos.

You refactored. Kudos. Any other reasons to keep debating?

 

[NashVol11]

Again:


You refactored. Kudos. Any other reasons to keep debating?

It was never framed as the single criterion. You misread something obvious and are trying to take a victory lap about it. Should I get FIFA to make you a trophy?