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hog88 said:
With Huff, hardly ever is correct.
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No joke. Let's all find one legitimately good thing to say about huff. Disclaimer is that saying one good thing is not excusing other things.

I'll start.

I think that Huff has a legitimately soft and tender heart for the downtrodden and needy, and I respect that deeply. It is a wonderful trait, and the world would be a better place if everyone shared it. (I believe that it has been used to radicalize him to the point of being irrational and unhinged, but it is indeed a beautiful trait that has been made ugly and dangerous.)
 
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Orange_Crush said:
No joke. Let's all find one legitimately good thing to say about huff. Disclaimer is that saying one good thing is not excusing other things.

I'll start.

I think that Huff has a legitimately soft and tender heart for the downtrodden and needy, and I respect that deeply. It is a wonderful trait, and the world would be a better place if everyone shared it. (I believe that it has been used to radicalize him to the point of being irrational and unhinged, but it is indeed a beautiful trait that has been made ugly and dangerous.)
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Can't do it.

If you allow that "trait" to make you radical and unhinged, you weren't in it for anything but your own ego.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
"Trust me, not the founders."




The government did not control production?
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To be picky it's the means of production that's key in the distinction. The government did control production to an extent as happens in wartime but with some exceptions it didn't own the means of production as in Socialism. As a matter of fact the major industrialists made out quite well with the influence they gained from their bailout of the Nazi Party in the early 30's and very favorable government policies implemented thereafter.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Can't do it.

If you allow that "trait" to make you radical and unhinged, you weren't in it for anything but your own ego.
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I'll take my own post along even more...

If you ask these people why they do it, it's always because they think they need to protect some culture or another. Then when you ask them what culture is, it's almost always ****ing food. You are seeing that even with a lot of these people now.

So to boil it down, you have a bunch of mentally ill retards burning things down and stealing because they want easy access to slaves making Mexican food.

Another example- you had an unemployed pothead in here talking about how we're all racist, hateful bigots against Islam, which itself is one of the most racist and hateful ideologies that exists on this planet. It doesn't make sense.
 
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EasternVol said:
To be picky it's the means of production that's key in the distinction. The government did control production to an extent as happens in wartime but with some exceptions it didn't own the means of production as in Socialism. As a matter of fact the major industrialists made out quite well with the influence they gained from their bailout of the Nazi Party in the early 30's and very favorable government policies implemented thereafter.
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Yep, you're slicing and dicing these things pretty thinly to try to carry the "Fascism was a right-wing ideology" water.

For what it's worth, you're welcome to do so as far as I'm concerned.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I'll take my own post along even more...

If you ask these people why they do it, it's always because they think they need to protect some culture or another. Then when you ask them what culture is, it's almost always ****ing food. You are seeing that even with a lot of these people now.

So to boil it down, you have a bunch of mentally ill retards burning things down and stealing because they want easy access to slaves making Mexican food.

Another example- you had an unemployed pothead in here talking about how we're all racist, hateful bigots against Islam, which itself is one of the most racist and hateful ideologies that exists on this planet. It doesn't make sense.
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Who's the unemployed pothead?


And munchies will always make everything about food, FWIW.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Yep, you're slicing and dicing these things pretty thinly to try to carry the "Fascism was a right-wing ideology" water.

For what it's worth, you're welcome to do so as far as I'm concerned.
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That's not carrying water. You could make some money starting rightist vocabulary enhancement classes if you can find a qualified instructor.
Fascism is right wing, full stop.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If they came into the country illegal, then they don't deserve any protected status.
If they came into the US illegally then they didn't "do it the right way".
Do you not think these liberal cities might be playing funny business with "legal path to citizenship"?

Where in the bible does it say the government is responsible for taking care of the needy? It doesn't. The bible gives that responsibility to the churches.
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where did I say the government needs to take care of the needy per the bible? You are just lying about what I am saying, and I am pretty sure this isn't the first time, but I could have you confused with someone else.

In the cases I mentioned, they came into the country legally - and then literally overnight Trump changes their status from being legal, to being illegal. not due to entry issues, or overstaying visas or whatever. They had legal status until Trump changed it. that's crap. You don't have any justification for Trump taking away the swearing in ceremony. thats wrong to the point of it not being worth more consideration until it is fixed.

the government is saying EVEN IF you do everything correctly. you entered legally, you are 100% legal, you go thru 100% of the process, haven't broken ANY laws (including border control), the government will still reject you from citizenship. and there isn't even a clause about them doing something "traitorous" or tying it to the protests, its a blanket suspension of the swearing in ceremony.

Cities have nothing to do with the legal path to citizenship. that is 100% a federal issue. you are making up fears that don't exist.
 
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LouderVol said:
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In the cases I mentioned, they came into the country legally - and then literally overnight Trump changes their status from being legal, to being illegal. not due to entry issues, or overstaying visas or whatever. They had legal status until Trump changed it. that's crap. You don't have any justification for Trump taking away the swearing in ceremony. thats wrong to the point of it not being worth more consideration until it is fixed.

the government is saying EVEN IF you do everything correctly. you entered legally, you are 100% legal, you go thru 100% of the process, haven't broken ANY laws (including border control), the government will still reject you from citizenship. and there isn't even a clause about them doing something "traitorous" or tying it to the protests, its a blanket suspension of the swearing in ceremony.

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The gov't has always said that. Immigration has always been stated as being at the gov't's leisure and decision. To claim that it's unfair is to claim that they have a right to immigrate here, which they do not.

For the record, I have a unique perspective on this, as I am applying for residency in a foreign nation. We are in the process and planning for the move. I foresee no problems, but we are still being very purposeful on how we plan the move because they are being very clear with us: Immigration here is at our leisure and at the end of the day, for our benefit as opposed to yours. We reserve the right to deny for whatever reason we choose, and even if you get residency, we reserve the right to reject it at our discretion. That adds some uncertainty to our lives, but we go into it knowing that.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Again the facts of the actual incident matter, and who GAF what Singapore thinks?
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Yeah the facts matter as do rule of law, warrants, law enforcement adherence to the Constitution, etc.
I know you don't and that's of course up to you. What do you think it indicate though when an ally halfway across the world is reporting how disfunctional our Administration is?
 
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EasternVol said:
Because that's the accepted categorization. Are you one of those 'men can have babies' people who go with their own definitions?
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Nope. I've stated my case. Yours seems to be "Listen to me, not the founders. And they were against Communism, so obviously they were right-wing. trust what everyone else accepts instead of arguing from history".

Fascism was founded by socialists, who defined it as left-wing and anti-right. Their economic plan was written by a communist. The gov't controlled the means of production. Would it make you feel better if we called it "collectivist"?

“Our programs are definitely equal to our revolutionary ideas and they belong to what in democratic regime is called “left”; our institutions are a direct result of our programs and our ideal is the Labor State. In this case there can be no doubt: we are the working class in struggle for life and death, against capitalism. We are the revolutionaries in search of a new order. If this is so, to invoke help from the bourgeoisie by waving the red peril is an absurdity. The real scarecrow, the real danger, the threat against which we fight relentlessly, comes from the right. It is not at all in our interest to have the capitalist bourgeoisie as an ally against the threat of the red peril, even at best it would be an unfaithful ally, which is trying to make us serve its ends, as it has done more than once with some success. I will spare words as it is totally superfluous. In fact, it is harmful, because it makes us confuse the types of genuine revolutionaries of whatever hue, with the man of reaction who sometimes uses our very language.”

Mussolini, April 22, 1945
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I'll leave you to assure us with more, "trust me, not the actual fascists".
 
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LouderVol said:
where did I say the government needs to take care of the needy per the bible? You are just lying about what I am saying, and I am pretty sure this isn't the first time, but I could have you confused with someone else.

In the cases I mentioned, they came into the country legally - and then literally overnight Trump changes their status from being legal, to being illegal. not due to entry issues, or overstaying visas or whatever. They had legal status until Trump changed it. that's crap. You don't have any justification for Trump taking away the swearing in ceremony. thats wrong to the point of it not being worth more consideration until it is fixed.

the government is saying EVEN IF you do everything correctly. you entered legally, you are 100% legal, you go thru 100% of the process, haven't broken ANY laws (including border control), the government will still reject you from citizenship. and there isn't even a clause about them doing something "traitorous" or tying it to the protests, its a blanket suspension of the swearing in ceremony.

Cities have nothing to do with the legal path to citizenship. that is 100% a federal issue. you are making up fears that don't exist.
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I'd like to see proof of them coming legally unless it's the one's Biden flew in or granted temporary protected status/asylum with zero reason to do so. Or maybe over stayed their visas. It's not wrong if the dems those cities bypassed regular protocol just to get them citizen status.

You don't think there are liberals in those sanctuary cities that work for the federal government that might just skirt the rules?

The reason I cam back with the Bible is because you mentioned it. It's my theory, if you don't give one cent in benefits to these illegals, they won't come or leave on their own. You should be against government funds for illegals, right?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Nope. I've stated my case. Yours seems to be "Listen to me, not the founders. And they were against Communism, so obviously they were right-wing. trust what everyone else accepts instead of arguing from history".

Fascism was founded by socialists, who defined it as left-wing and anti-right. Their economic plan was written by a communist. The gov't controlled the means of production. Would it make you feel better if we called it "collectivist"?



I'll leave you to assure us with more, "trust me, not the actual fascists".
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Fascism as you noted started as a sect of Socialism. I think you're ignoring that the ideological changes it underwent took it from leftist to rightist.
It's not my personal definition, it's general consensus, yesterday and today. In my UT days it was dogma in the Economics Department that Fascism was and is rightist.
In the 40's Fascists including Nazis were strongly anti-Bolshevik / Communist and that's still the case. Do you think Reds are right wing?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Nope. I've stated my case. Yours seems to be "Listen to me, not the founders. And they were against Communism, so obviously they were right-wing. trust what everyone else accepts instead of arguing from history".

Fascism was founded by socialists, who defined it as left-wing and anti-right. Their economic plan was written by a communist. The gov't controlled the means of production. Would it make you feel better if we called it "collectivist"?



I'll leave you to assure us with more, "trust me, not the actual fascists".
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This is one reason I took a 2? year break from VNP. The ignorance on display is breathtaking at times.
Safe travels to Costa Rica or wherever you're off to. When there maybe take a break from the board, meet some locals, and pray the dollar doesn't tank.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
This is just this terms BLM riots or the “I have a vagina” crowd pitching a fit. They don’t give a **** about this issue. They didn’t care when their team was deporting people in mass.

If they cared their protests would be aimed at immigration reform. We’re a nation of laws. If you don’t like them then elect people to change them. Clearly electing people to ignore them backfired big time. That’s how we got Trump.
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They never cared.


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EasternVol said:
That's not carrying water. You could make some money starting rightist vocabulary enhancement classes if you can find a qualified instructor.
Fascism is right wing, full stop.
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You need to take your knee pads off and stop slurping up the Democrat talking points. You are crazy if you don’t think Dems are fascist
 
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