Tony Elliott Appears To Be a Target

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bleedorange9995 said:
So what IF Frost is hired and Elliott is named OC and HCIW and this whole Elliott is top target is smokescreen? I have a hard time believing White would pass him up from a smaller school to be first choice at a bigger school with trouble looming, White is not an idiot, I believe he's bringing in somebody nobody sees coming why I say Frost
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White is probably just another wanna be politician, who is just using the university for headlines.
 
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volman128 said:
In the end, who gives a damn what virtue signalers like Pat Forde and Dan Wolken think? The media does the same thing with sports as they do with politics. They push a certain narrative based on their personal opinions and their personal biases. People need to remember that reporters are humans with their own biases, too. Their opinion isn't the gospel...far from it. They don't have some sort of high ground pertaining to any of this. Not to mention, most sports reporters applauded the hire of Pruitt, anyway.

In the end, the main thing that matters is the character of coaches and their results. Do you hire Schiano with his baggage from Penn State and Tampa Bay and fire him in 3-4 years for lack of results, or do you take a chance on the Bama coordinator with no HC experience? Either scenario was doomed to fail, and I don't care how it ended with Pruitt, at the very least he didn't have accusations of helping cover up a scandal or accusations of treating players like garbage, and I'm glad we didn't hire him, the feelings of the precious sports reporters be damned. And not for nothing...but Schiano is also 71-73 as a college head coach. That was a bad choice from every angle, up one way and down the other.
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VolArmy74 said:
People are lumping in Elliott with Pruitt and thats damn unfair to him. Former OC tend to make better head coaches in this era. Ohio State, Oklahoma, USC, Georgia, Washington, Clemson, and Miami are some of the traditional football powers who hired a coordinator or position coach straight into the hc job. Penn State did it with O'Brien. Georgia also did it with Richt. Oklahoma did it with Stoops. We did it with Fulmer. It's a common practice even among elite football programs. Elliott by all reports is an incredible coach. We are in an extremely bad spot. I personally wouldn't have a big issue with him taking the job.
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Beggars can't be choosers, but I think Pruitt should've been the first and last coordinator experiment. They are being lumped together because they were/are coordinators at elite programs.
 
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I’m not sure why people are so convinced he’d be a bad hire. He might be a great HC. But For me it has more to do with risk. Also, Tennessee has a ton going for it except for credibility. You address both concerns by hiring an experienced head coach.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Elliott would get killed on the recruiting trail against a Mullen, Saban, Orgeron, and Smart. Add on sanctions and penalties and he will be lucky to draw a top 30 class his first 2 years.
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How do you know he would get killed on the recruiting trail? Clemson is near the top every year. You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Bowden had ran FSU down significantly. They wanted to fire him for years but couldn't. Oklahoma was a flaming dumpster when coordinator Stoops took over. Donnan was fired for being the latest perennially underachieving coach at Georgia, leading to Richt. Same with Dabo at Clemson.

People are acting this way about Elliott not based on his potential as a head coach but based on Pruitt sucking the life out of the program.

Either White is the AD everyone thinks and his hire will be solid, even if it's Elliott, or he doesn't know what he's doing. I'm pretty much willing to trust him to know what a good coach is and what we need in this situation. He's been solid at UCF and Buffalo in that regard.
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You can’t argue those programs were in the trash because they weren’t. Most were perennial 7-9 wins a year... we struggle getting 6 wins backs to back.
 
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volman128 said:
In the end, who gives a damn what virtue signalers like Pat Forde and Dan Wolken think? The media does the same thing with sports as they do with politics. They push a certain narrative based on their personal opinions and their personal biases. People need to remember that reporters are humans with their own biases, too. Their opinion isn't the gospel...far from it. They don't have some sort of high ground pertaining to any of this. Not to mention, most sports reporters applauded the hire of Pruitt, anyway.

In the end, the main thing that matters is the character of coaches and their results. Do you hire Schiano with his baggage from Penn State and Tampa Bay and fire him in 3-4 years for lack of results, or do you take a chance on the Bama coordinator with no HC experience? Either scenario was doomed to fail, and I don't care how it ended with Pruitt, at the very least he didn't have accusations of helping cover up a scandal or accusations of treating players like garbage, and I'm glad we didn't hire him, the feelings of the precious sports reporters be damned. And not for nothing...but Schiano is also 71-73 as a college head coach. That was a bad choice from every angle, up one way and down the other.
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The only baggage that Schiano had was with Tennessee fans. God love all the "holier than thou" crowd! Willing to hire a guy that uses hookers vs others..It is so amusing...
 
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Fore said:
How do you know he would get killed on the recruiting trail? Clemson is near the top every year. You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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He can always follow the example set by the previous staff.
 
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loservol said:
You know they are going to make this stupid mistake again.
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No I don’t know, unlike some, I don’t presume the worst and hide behind the excuse of BVS. I also don’t presume to know what is really going on with the coaching search so I want let my emotions run wild at every article that gets published.
 
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SGMVols said:
The Schiano deal was nixed because multiple boosters threatened to stop donations. It had nothing to do with the fan outrage on Twitter. Fans are not going to get veto power over this hire.
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There will never be so much outrage over a hire as there was for that one.
 
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tpsdave said:
The only baggage that Schiano had was with Tennessee fans. God love all the "holier than thou" crowd!
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The sports reporters that you hold in such high regard are the ones with the 'holier than thou' attitude in the whole scenario, but nice try.

Willing to hire a guy that uses hookers vs others..It is so amusing...
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WTF are you talking about? Also, sex work (which should be legal) should never be compared to rape and child molestation. That's not being "holier than thou", that's just common sense.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
His normal sources are not the people or the person in charge of hiring here. Even though he knew there was an AD announcement - he didn't know who. It's all being handled differently now and more professionally. That's not to say that a secretary that books travel reservations or Zoom calls couldn't speculate - but your friend doesn't know that Elliot is the leader. Pure speculation on his part I believe. I will buy you dinner if he is hired and won't ask you to buy mine if he isn't, because he won't be the guy imho. In this instance you are not going to bring on Pete Rose until after you have guaged the interest of Mickey Mantle, Hank Aaron, and Stan Musial - if you follow my analogy.
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I could show you the text message from Wednesday that says it’s Danny White...but I won’t, because he’d never trust me again.
But again...point taken. You are probably right.
 
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golfballs said:
I’m not sure why people are so convinced he’d be a bad hire. He might be a great HC. But For me it has more to do with risk. Also, Tennessee has a ton going for it except for credibility. You address both concerns by hiring an experienced head coach.
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I think so too, why I said maybe HCIW option for him so there would remain stability in the program if the HC he brings in decides to bail or gets fired, I believe jmo that White is looking at now and the future and one thing most successful programs has is stability
 
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DarkAvenger said:
No I don’t know, unlike some, I don’t presume the worst and hide behind the excuse of BVS. I also don’t presume to know what is really going on with the coaching search so I want let my emotions run wild at every article that gets published.
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my "UT is about to make another stupid blunder" senses are tingling again.
 
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Fore said:
How do you know he would get killed on the recruiting trail? Clemson is near the top every year. You literally have no idea what you are talking about.
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Lol. Who here does know what they're talking about??
 
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