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Obsessed said:
What percentage of your tax dollars go to this?

I'd wager you spend more in taxes on gasoline for your car.
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Well, since I view all taxation as theft, does it matter? Theft is theft, right?

You miss the point, cops are the pointy end of politics. They are charged with enforcing the whims of the political class, whether it conflicts with their own conscience or not. Law enforcement has very little to do with "justice" and Everything to do with enforcement.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Well, since I view all taxation as theft, does it matter? Theft is theft, right?

You miss the point, cops are the pointy end of politics. They are charged with enforcing the whims of the political class, wether it conflicts with their own conscience or not. Law enforcement has very little to do with "justice" and Everything to do with enforcement.
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I haven't missed anything. I agree on many things in this thread. Cops exceed the limits. They get breaks.

But I don't see any one else standing up to do their job....
If I speed I get a ticket. Do you know how I fix this problem? I don't speed.

And I disagree on the cops enforcing laws that go against their conscience. I've caught a few breaks because cops thought the law or SOP was BS.
 
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Obsessed said:
I haven't missed anything. I agree on many things in this thread. Cops exceed the limits. They get breaks.

But I don't see any one else standing up to do their job....
If I speed I get a ticket. Do you know how I fix this problem? I don't speed.

And I disagree on the cops enforcing laws that go against their conscience. I've caught a few breaks because cops thought the law or SOP was BS.
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At what point, in your view, does a law cross over into simple revenue generation?
 
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Obsessed said:
Btw, I agree. All taxation is indeed theft.
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There is hope left in the world!

Also, you say you've known cops not to enforce the law on things they found to be silly? So these laws are optional? Selectively enforced? I thought their job was to enforce the law, all of it? Seems kinda arbitrary to me.

If I may expand on this, you rightly view taxation as theft, how can you support the system this theft pays for?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
There is hope left in the world!

Also, you say you've known cops not to enforce the law on things they found to be silly? So these laws are optional? Selectively enforced? I thought their job was to enforce the law, all of it? Seems kinda arbitrary to me.
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Where did he say that?
 
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Obsessed said:
I haven't missed anything. I agree on many things in this thread. Cops exceed the limits. They get breaks.

But I don't see any one else standing up to do their job....
If I speed I get a ticket. Do you know how I fix this problem? I don't speed.

And I disagree on the cops enforcing laws that go against their conscience. I've caught a few breaks because cops thought the law or SOP was BS.
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Here at the bottom Ras.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
There is hope left in the world!

Also, you say you've known cops not to enforce the law on things they found to be silly? So these laws are optional? Selectively enforced? I thought their job was to enforce the law, all of it? Seems kinda arbitrary to me.

If I may expand on this, you rightly view taxation as theft, how can you support the system this theft pays for?
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I've gone over this before...
 
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I'm not one to put much stock in what a group of 9 Megalomaniacs have to say about anything. It can be summed up as one big conflict of interest.

Who is supposedly charged with interpretation of the constitution? The megalomaniacs I spoke of, correct? Now, who pays these folks? Would that be the treasury department? A branch of the government.... Nah, no conflict there. Same can be said for cops, lawyers, judges or anyone else involved in government.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
No one on here has ever second guessed a cop in a situation where a guy pulled a bb gun vs real gun on them. In a case like that, I would obviously side with the cop to defend himself. But when a cop pulls a guy over on a minor traffic stop and decides to escalate the situation or decides to take a simple street arrest to a street fight, then that is where the cop hatred begins to ooze out.
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Pretty certain that you disagreed with the officer that hit the guy firing bullets from a rifle in a residential neighborhood. Or am I mistaken and he was just escalating the situation?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Well, since we're here, why not address this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/p...stitutional-duty-to-protect-someone.html?_r=0

Hmmm, seems this whole "justice system" is one big arbitrary mess.
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Not exactly the same thing in the context of what you're talking about. The court decision basically reinforced the premise that police still have the power of discretion rather than saying "you will arrest no matter what."

And while this case was very tragic, it was the right decision by the SCOTUS. Had the decision gone the other way, it would have shoehorned police into having to make arrests and taken away a lot of discretion on their part. To include opening the door for "mandatory" arrests on any number of things completely unrelated to that particular case.

The title to the article is very misleading in the fact it doesn't address what the case was truly about.
 
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Then there is sovereign immunity.

SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY PRINCIPLE

Every jurisdiction in the country recognizes that it is impossible for the police and other public authorities to provide adequate protection to any individual. Therefore, they developed a legal principle that government is not liable for failure to provide adequate protection. They can only attempt to provide some level of protection to the community as a whole. Most states (approximately 37) have sovereign immunity statutes stating that government is not responsible for failure to provide police protection to any individual. The remaining jurisdictions have precedent cases which permanently established the same legal principles. These statutes and precedents are consistently cited by the courts to dismiss suits by individuals for government failure to provide adequate protection.

From this link.
Public Safety Project - Laws on Police Protection / Sovereign Immunity

So, isn't that really just a catch all for the fraud that is government? How long would i be in the protection business if I failed to protect my clients? We are clients, right? We pay (by force) for the services right? Sounds more like victims to me.

I'll just leave this here.
http://youtu.be/kqoBZLSm1WA
 
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jp1 said:
Pretty certain that you disagreed with the officer that hit the guy firing bullets from a rifle in a residential neighborhood. Or am I mistaken and he was just escalating the situation?
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Not the same situation as that meme was illustrating. That meme was expecting a cop to make a split decision between a bb gun vs a real gun. Totally different than driving up behind a guy that is walking away and driving into him and through the neighboring wall.
 
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