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tim said:
The war on drugs has been a splendid success. How anyone can argue otherwise is quite ridiculous. Now if you disagree with the laws then I guess I can see your point, but seizures and arrests are astronomical.
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How can you call it a success? The flow of and use of drugs hasn't been reduced.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Nope be you can never regulate the stupid out of people....I feel the overwhelming majority drink responsibly but it's the idiots that cost us..I don't the think majority can use drugs responsibly.
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It is looking more and more each day that the "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of governing is the wrong approach. Instead of governing in fear of the minority that cannot handle the freedoms that everyone else enjoys, why not just give everyone one liberty, and those few that can't function in a free society, punish them individually. Don't make it hard on everybody else.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is looking more and more each day that the "one bad apple spoils the bunch" type of governing is the wrong approach. Instead of governing in fear of the minority that cannot handle the freedoms that everyone else enjoys, why not just give everyone one liberty, and those few that can't function in a free society, punish them individually. Don't make it hard on everybody else.
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His stance is that the majority could not handle narcotics responsibly. I disagree with the stance, but what you said didn't address the post exactly.
 
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apevol said:
His stance is that the majority could not handle narcotics responsibly. I disagree with the stance, but what you said didn't address the post exactly.
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You are assuming that the majority of people will even use harder drugs to begin with. Hell, even if you got all of the "drug users" together in one place, the overwhelming majority would be weedheads, not users of harder drugs. Expand that out to the larger society, and the percentage of hard drug users drops down even further.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are assuming that the majority of people will even use harder drugs to begin with. Hell, even if you got all of the "drug users" together in one place, the overwhelming majority would be weedheads, not users of harder drugs. Expand that out to the larger society, and the percentage of hard drug users drops down even further.
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I am not assuming that at all. I recall reading about a study involving doctors receiving doses of heroin, (without knowing what substance they were given), with many of them complaining of nausea, itching, and other negative side effects, rather than even noticing the high. I don't believe everyone that tries a drug will even like it, much less become addicted to it.
 
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MercyPercy said:
If you want to put someone in jail for using a substance, you're for the war on drugs.



I don't think so. In order for you to argue from the perspective that some substances should be illegal due to their harmful effects to the user and the rest of society, you would have to believe that alcohol is not significantly harmful to the user and society if you don't think it should be illegal. This is obviously a contradiction.



Why just weed? What are your specific contentions with drugs like LSD, mushrooms, and ecstasy? These are drugs that are nowhere near as addictive as alcohol, and their long term health risks pale in comparison to alcohol. We'll start off with those and work our way up to the harder stuff.



So, the only reason you don't support alcohol prohibition is because it has proven it doesn't work and causes more problems than it solves. Otherwise, you'd be all for getting rid of it. Is this accurate?

How has banning other drugs worked out for us? Or did you just stop paying attention after the 21st amendment?



I don't know what this has to do with anything.
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I'm absolutely for putting someone in jail for substances abuse. However I'm not for the process were using right now. There is no need to go out looking for them. When they commit an illegal act you jail them and add on additional time for the illegal drive use. No need in creating special units and spending additional money to go looking for them. It's a waste.

I've admitted to this. Just because you don't see eye to eye with my view on it doesn't mean I haven't been consistent with my view no matter how you try and spin it.

Weed is the only one that came to mind. If more are legalized then fine. It really won't bother me. I was just giving my opinion since weed seems to be the biggest reason for expense in this country and I can't think of another drug as popular that doesn't have terrible effects. I also believe that if weed were more readily available that some of the harder drug use wouldn't be as big of an issue. Just my opinion there.

Partially. I understand alcohol is a huge problem with repeat offenders. Something has to be done with them. Prohibition is not the answer as we've seen in the past. I believe is strict punishment for those who break the law. Drink driving is equal to taking an illegal drug in my opinion and should be severally punished. Some want to argue it can destroy someone's life. My archenemy is you should have shown more responsibility with it and you deserve what you've gotten.

I think it's illogical to think that going to the local package store to buy some cocaine, meth, and our crack is ever going to be a good thing.

Answered your last question a little earlier.
 
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hog88 said:
How can you call it a success? The flow of and use of drugs hasn't been reduced.
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The thing is, I actually agree with him. Now if you think it was implemented to slow or prevent drug use, then of course it's been an epic failure. Unfortunately, that's not the point of the drug war. It's about increasing power and control and, in that regard, it's been a smashing sucess.

Tim said it best.... Arguing that it isn't a sucess is silly. I mean, look at all these seizures and arrest. Basically saying, look at all the control this thing has given the ruling class and their jackboots.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
The thing is, I actually agree with him. Now if you think it was implemented to slow or prevent drug use, then of course it's been an epic failure. Unfortunately, that's not the point of the drug war. It's about increasing power and control and, in that regard, it's been a smashing sucess.

Tim said it best.... Arguing that it isn't a sucess is silly. I mean, look at all these seizures and arrest. Basically saying, look at all the control this thing has given the ruling class and their jackboots.
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And at the end of the day, that's exactly what it's about, control.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
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Piece of trash should be drug out back and given a wood shampoo.
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Something really stood out to me here:

TNsnyper20 said:
Drink driving is equal to taking an illegal drug in my opinion and should be severally punished.
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Unless you're attempting to say that driving while on drugs should be punished the same as driving on alcohol, I have to read this a certain way. How can I ever expect to reason with someone who views;

A) Taking a drug in the privacy of their own home and not bothering anyone

B) Getting ****faced drunk and driving their car

as equally wrong acts? Probably one of the most absurd things I've ever read, and I had thought you had at least some potential to be rational here. I apologize if that's not what you meant, but that's how it reads to me.
 
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hog88 said:
How can you call it a success? The flow of and use of drugs hasn't been reduced.
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Sure it has. Seizures and arrests are and have been astronomical. Some argue our prisons are full of people associated with drugs. Full = success. Right? I mean how do you view success in the trucking business?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
The thing is, I actually agree with him. Now if you think it was implemented to slow or prevent drug use, then of course it's been an epic failure. Unfortunately, that's not the point of the drug war. It's about increasing power and control and, in that regard, it's been a smashing sucess.

Tim said it best.... Arguing that it isn't a sucess is silly. I mean, look at all these seizures and arrest. Basically saying, look at all the control this thing has given the ruling class and their jackboots.
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Its not hard to control the humans who let substances control them. Fish in a barrel really. I really dont know how this can be debated, but I can say that the success rate for prevention is much higher were there no "war".. There is probably no data on that, just my opinion.
 
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tim said:
The war on drugs has been a splendid success. How anyone can argue otherwise is quite ridiculous. Now if you disagree with the laws then I guess I can see your point, but seizures and arrests are astronomical.
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You're free to join us in reality at any time.
 
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