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TNsnyper20 said:
You know as well as I do that without these laws were have in place right now this country would be total anarchy. Very few areas would be livable.... Mostly rural areas. Cities would flipping implode.
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So we would have total anarchy if we legalized reefer and open containers?
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
I didn't overlook the point of the article/paper. The populace during the wild west days was quite smaller than what it is now. Do you honestly believe that anarchy would prevail with the number of citizens in this country now.

In my opinion.... Extremely rural areas such as Wyoming, Montana, Alaska etc it MIGHT fly. But it would ultimately fail the country as a whole.
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Well first off, who in here is saying we need anarchy or is claiming to be an anarchist?

}ust because someone believes that cops enforce too many laws that don't have victims, that doesn't automatically mean they are an anarchist.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well first off, who in here is saying we need anarchy or is claiming to be an anarchist?

}ust because someone believes that cops enforce too many laws that don't have victims, that doesn't automatically mean they are an anarchist.
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Until those laws get changed its their job to enforce them. And until they are not laws it's the public job to abide by them.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Have the endless discussions about arbitration and private law suddenly slipped your mind?
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I read most of your "light reading" that you linked. All suppositions rely on everyone being on their best behavior. That has never happened in the history of mankind.

Also the references to Somalia, Iraq and Columbia were actually perfect examples of ancap and the author was doing his best to make excuses. What he proves is that in the absence of government there is anarchy. And I for one want no part of a place like Somalia.
 
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volbeast33 said:
So now insurance companies are going to pay for security bc they don't want to pay death benefits...This keeps getting better. LMAO
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It would work LIKE insurance companies do today. You'd pay a monthly or yearly premium for the services they provide. Protection would be one of the services for those who need it.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It would work LIKE insurance companies do today. You'd pay a monthly or yearly premium for the services they provide. Protection would be one of the services for those who need it.
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And for those that can't or wont pay, they are fair game for the rest, correct? Beat them, steal their stuff ext, since they deserve no protection and have no rights since they didn't pay.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In theory, you are right. In practice, you are incorrect.
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I don't disagree. However we are still responsible for the officials we elect. It's the choices that are put in front of us that we are not responsible for.

There are several ways we can improve this country and shrink the government. But what DTH is proposing is no governing body. Won't work.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It would work LIKE insurance companies do today. You'd pay a monthly or yearly premium for the services they provide. Protection would be one of the services for those who need it.
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That's not what he said.....He stated if there was a serial killer on the loose that a Insurance company would pay a security company to catch him bc they don't want to pay the death benefits
 
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hog88 said:
I read most of your "light reading" that you linked. All suppositions rely on everyone being on their best behavior. That has never happened in the history of mankind.

Also the references to Somalia, Iraq and Columbia were actually perfect examples of ancap and the author was doing his best to make excuses. What he proves is that in the absence of government there is anarchy. And I for one want no part of a place like Somalia.
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Somalia and Columbia as well as Iraq are not examples of anarchy. They're examples of failed governments. Well, Iraq being an example of failed US foreign policy.

So, you honestly believe it's government who keeps the peace? I guess that's why we have a swelling prison population with a great majority of the "offenders" locked up for victimless crimes.
It's always government that over reaches with unenforceable laws that do nothing but collect revenue.
It shocks me to see that anyone believes anything the government has to say, mostly because everything they do is by threat of a cage, or a rifle barrel.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
I don't disagree. However we are still responsible for the officials we elect. It's the choices that are put in front of us that we are not responsible for.

There are several ways we can improve this country and shrink the government. But what DTH is proposing is no governing body. Won't work.
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Care to give your suggestions?
 
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hog88 said:
And for those that can't or wont pay, they are fair game for the rest, correct? Beat them, steal their stuff ext, since they deserve no protection and have no rights since they didn't pay.
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That's in the light reading link hog. It's called the free rider problem.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Somalia and Columbia as well as Iraq are not examples of anarchy. They're examples of failed governments. Well, Iraq being an example of failed US foreign policy.

So, you honestly believe it's government who keeps the peace? I guess that's why we have a swelling prison population with a great majority of the "offenders" locked up for victimless crimes.
It's always government that over reaches with unenforceable laws that do nothing but collect revenue.
It shocks me to see that anyone believes anything the government has to say, mostly because everything they do is by threat of a cage, or a rifle barrel.
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What's the difference? There is no government and with Somalia there hasn't been one in over 20 years, why haven't they coalesced into a peaceful ancap society?

There wouldn't be and couldn't be ancap without a government failing.
 
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volbeast33 said:
That's not what he said.....He stated if there was a serial killer on the loose that a Insurance company would pay a security company to catch him bc they don't want to pay the death benefits
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Plausible scenario. Why wouldn't they? They have an interest in seeing the guy caught as they are liable for the benefits as stated.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Somalia and Columbia as well as Iraq are not examples of anarchy. They're examples of failed governments. Well, Iraq being an example of failed US foreign policy.

So, you honestly believe it's government who keeps the peace? I guess that's why we have a swelling prison population with a great majority of the "offenders" locked up for victimless crimes.
It's always government that over reaches with unenforceable laws that do nothing but collect revenue.
It shocks me to see that anyone believes anything the government has to say, mostly because everything they do is by threat of a cage, or a rifle barrel.
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I would like to know your definition of a victimless crime.

A guy driving intoxicated or a teenage driving under the influence of prescription pills? If no one is hurt is this a victimless crime? Should a LEO or privatized "protection" just let this person drive on and wait for an accident?
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
Sorry.. Iceland has an anarchist movement.

And as for moving. Seems pretty simple to me.
"Since 1990, the Department of State policy based on these laws and court rulings has been to revoke an individual’s citizenship if and only if an individual appears in person at a U.S. embassy or consulate abroad and explicitly declares his intention to renounce citizenship."
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You forgot about the exit fee and the potential tax hit.
 
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hog88 said:
I have outlined mine for you at least twice and you have chosen to ignore them so why would he waste his time?
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Yours is the system we are already living in, and are well acquainted with. I've answered your questions many times in tbe last as we've had this discussion many times. How many times do you want an answer?
 

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TNsnyper20 said:
I would like to know your definition of a victimless crime.

A guy driving intoxicated or a teenage driving under the influence of prescription pills? If no one is hurt is this a victimless crime? Should a LEO or privatized "protection" just let this person drive on and wait for an accident?
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A victimless crime is when there is no victim around to accuse.
It's my belief and a few others here that a crime is commited only when persons and property are damaged/stolen.

So yeah, if a drunk driver wrecks and hurts no one, he's only liable for the property damaged.
Also a victimless crime is possession of drugs.
In order to have a crime, you first must have a victim.
 
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