To Protect and to Serve...

[Cdywolfe]

being pulled over by the police is not covered in the fourth amendment....the guy was acting like an idiot and got called on it.....extremely tame incident to get riled up about.

It doesn't matter if I am walking down the sidewalk, driving in my car, or flying in a rocketship, if officer douchebag doesn't have a reasonable suspicion that I have committed a crime then his lecture has to be voluntary. He can't pull me over to give it.

 

[volbeast33]

It doesn't matter if I am walking down the sidewalk, driving in my car, or flying in a rocketship, if officer douchebag doesn't have a reasonable suspicion that I have committed a crime then his lecture has to be voluntary. He can't pull me over to give it.

The fourth amendment protects against search and seizure...neither happened in this case

 

[Cdywolfe]

The fourth amendment protects against search and seizure...neither happened in this case

Delaware v. Prouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Cdywolfe]

Volbeast...

I want to make sure I have this straight. Whenever a police officer sees someone doing something that they consider rude or idiotic, regardless of the legality of that action, they have the right to detain them in order to lecture them?

I'm also wondering if we're basing this solely on the subjective values of the officer or if it's only okay when the action doesn't align with your values?

 

[volbeast33]

Delaware v. Prouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know Wikipedia is great and all but the fourth amendment was used be of the illegal search and seizure of marijuana

 

[jp1]

I can't for the life of me figure out why this guy didn't get elected to "city commission".

 

[Carl Pickens]

Let me be clear, if this would have been a middle aged white guy wearing a suit driving any luxury car the stop (if they would have stopped him) wouldn't have lasted a minute.

It's funny how cops don't pull this BS with guys who can afford attorneys.

While I agree with this for the most part...... Most middle aged white guys wearing suits and driving luxury cars aren't going to be hanging the bird out the window.

 

[Cdywolfe]

I know Wikipedia is great and all but the fourth amendment was used be of the illegal search and seizure of marijuana

You are correct. The fourth amendment was also brought up due to the illegal search and seizure of his person. Which you seem to have neglected to realize was in there. I don't know how, as it was the first thing listed.

 

[Carl Pickens]

You're not a big "constitution" guy, are you?

I never said I condoned the cops actions..... My point that seems to continually go over all the blatant cop haters is that EVERY SINGLE TIME there is an issue like this posted and discussed there is ONE common factor. The victim as I assume you prefer them to be called has done something stupid...... That's it.... Maybe if guys would stop acting like a bunch of damn idiots they'd find themselves having better encounters.

I can hear your argument already...... But he has the right to flip off the cop..... Yes he does and I can appreciate that..... But..., one has to know its probably not a good idea. Can you name one good thing that comes from flipping off the cops..... Other than that brief fleeting moment of "hell yeah" you hear in your head?

 

[Carl Pickens]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6FnY6OKN3RI

 

[volbeast33]

You are correct. The fourth amendment was also brought up due to the illegal search and seizure of his person. Which you seem to have neglected to realize was in there. I don't know how, as it was the first thing listed.

I mean that the fourth amendment was used bc of the seizure of marijuana....there was no search and seizure in this case

 

[Cdywolfe]

I never said I condoned the cops actions..... My point that seems to continually go over all the blatant cop haters is that EVERY SINGLE TIME there is an issue like this posted and discussed there is ONE common factor. The victim as I assume you prefer them to be called has done something stupid...... That's it.... Maybe if guys would stop acting like a bunch of damn idiots they'd find themselves having better encounters.

I can hear your argument already...... But he has the right to flip off the cop..... Yes he does and I can appreciate that..... But..., one has to know its probably not a good idea. Can you name one good thing that comes from flipping off the cops..... Other than that brief fleeting moment of "hell yeah" you hear in your head?

Where if that's the case then there's two common factors. The other one being a douche bag, power-hungry cop who is massively over-stepping his role.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

While I agree with this for the most part...... Most middle aged white guys wearing suits and driving luxury cars aren't going to be hanging the bird out the window.

Really?

I wouldn't go as far as to say "most", but I would say a "significant number" probably would.

 

[volbeast33]

Really?

I wouldn't go as far as to say "most", but I would say a "significant number" probably would.

I don't think most would do it without being provoked or intoxicated

 

[Cdywolfe]

I mean that the fourth amendment was used bc of the seizure of marijuana....there was no search and seizure in this case

Well then I'm confused… Because it really looks to me like he was temporarily detained there. I haven't been to Florida in a while, I suppose I just assumed that pulling over for law-enforcement was mandatory.

 

[volbeast33]

Well then I'm confused… Because it really looks to me like he was temporarily detained there. I haven't been to Florida in a while, I suppose I just assumed that pulling over for law-enforcement was mandatory.

We'll officially she was breaking the law

 

[Cdywolfe]

We'll officially she was breaking the law

So now we're back at this?

 

[Cdywolfe]

Volbeast...

I want to make sure I have this straight. Whenever a police officer sees someone doing something that they consider rude or idiotic, regardless of the legality of that action, they have the right to detain them in order to lecture them?

I'm also wondering if we're basing this solely on the subjective values of the officer or if it's only okay when the action doesn't align with your values?

Bump...

 

[Carl Pickens]

Where if that's the case then there's two common factors. The other one being a douche bag, power-hungry cop who is massively over-stepping his role.

Can't argue that.....

 

[volbeast33]

Bump...

What did the cop do that was illegal.....this is such a minor thing....why overthink it so much

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

We'll officially she was breaking the law

Even you throwing in the "officially" comment means that you know they are getting away with a technicality that could have easily just been ignored.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

What did the cop do that was illegal.....this is such a minor thing....why overthink it so much

You didn't answer the question.

 

[Cdywolfe]

What did the cop do that was illegal.....this is such a minor thing....why overthink it so much

So you're okay with getting pulled over so you can be lectured whenever a police officer feels it's necessary? Or just when it happens to other people?

 

[n_huffhines]

Maybe....I have a bigger problem if the courts allow someone to sue over something as silly as this.

It's one of the very few ways we can keep government in check.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So you're okay with getting pulled over so you can be lectured whenever a police officer feels it's necessary? Or just when it happens to other people?

He's not gonna answer it.