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DinkinFlicka said:
On the flip, you can see it as another way to highlight the police state. I do. A lot of people I know do the same.

Sure, it's way bigger than Michael Brown, Eric Garner, or Darrien Hunt... but if that raises awareness and some folks see it on their news feed, then why not. If it gets them to look into overzealous policing, that's great too.
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I don't like the narrative being painted.

Police departments are corrupt and incompetent on a massive scale. Not merely racist.
 
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allvol123 said:
I don't like the narrative being painted.

Police departments are corrupt and incompetent on a massive scale. Not merely racist.
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All of them?

Wow.

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allvol123 said:
I don't like the narrative being painted.

Police departments are corrupt and incompetent on a massive scale. Not merely racist.
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And I'm going to ask you once again to provide proof of this.

Or will you choice to ignore the question again
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think anyone is "justifying" it.

Even if it was illegal, and wrong, I do think there is still room to debate whether the suspect contributed to it, at least in a moral sense, by having defied lawful commands.

Again, that is not justifying it. It is, however, accounting for the realities of the entire situation, not just the last 2 seconds of it.
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No question the guy contributed by not following commands but even today that isn't a capitol offense in any state.
 
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hog88 said:
No question the guy contributed by not following commands but even today that isn't a capitol offense in any state.
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And a stupid argument. That man was shot in the back while fleeing from the officer. It's murder.

He may as well have shot him for littering.

Hey, the man contributed to his death by throwing his gum wrapper on the ground right in front of Mr. Officer and then refused to pick it up when told.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And I'm going to ask you once again to provide proof of this.

Or will you choice to ignore the question again
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It can't be proved because "corruption", "incompetence", and "racism" are all relative terms. Police are obviously corrupt, cause every group has some element of corruption, so the question is are police corrupt, racist, and incompetent compared to other groups? I would say the job inherently makes the first two likely, but I have no opinion on the question of incompetence.
 
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DC_Vol said:
And a stupid argument. That man was shot in the back while fleeing from the officer. It's murder.

He may as well have shot him for littering.

Hey, the man contributed to his death by throwing his gum wrapper on the ground right in front of Mr. Officer and then refused to pick it up when told.
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Look, I agree the officer shouldn't have shot him from the evidence that I have seen, but your analogy is ridiculous.
 
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n_huffhines said:
It can't be proved because "corruption", "incompetence", and "racism" are all relative terms. Police are obviously corrupt, cause every group has some element of corruption, so the question is are police corrupt, racist, and incompetent compared to other groups? I would say the job inherently makes the first two likely, but I have no opinion on the question of incompetence.
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Why does the job make racism more likely?
 
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n_huffhines said:
It can't be proved because "corruption", "incompetence", and "racism" are all relative terms. Police are obviously corrupt, cause every group has some element of corruption, so the question is are police corrupt, racist, and incompetent compared to other groups? I would say the job inherently makes the first two likely, but I have no opinion on the question of incompetence.
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The problem is the terminology used.

"Massive."

I have never denied there is corruption and incompetence in any LEO force. That isn't under question. It's the level of corruption and incompetence that's key to how "massive" it is.

Massive is a quantifiable term. And completely wrong.
 
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DC_Vol said:
CP, that was an execution. When someone is running away, you chase them. You don't gun them down from behind with 8 shots.

It's disgusting, and I honestly don't see how anyone can justify this.
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I'm not trying to justify it.... It was horrid.
 
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MercyPercy said:
It's a fine analogy. Your argument is that there is a cause and an effect. The man ran(the cause), and he died(the effect). It's a simple and dumb argument to make, as we can easily demonstrate in a number of examples where a cause will result in an effect.

You yelled at your neighbor(the cause), he has a mental breakdown and shoots you(the effect). Had you not yelled at your neighbor, he would not have taken his frustrations out on you. Cause and effect.

So, with this in mind, we can easily see that cause and effect is poor defense for the actions taken here. I'm not sure how comforted your family would be when the police tells them had you simply not yelled at your neighbor, you would still be alive. That's what you're doing right now. Ignoring the real problem, that a murder has taken place, and the man who pulled the trigger bears the responsibility.
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damn it I'm not condoning what the officer did..... He shot him in the back 8 times!

People have yelled at their neighbors many times without the slightest amount of harm coming to them..... Run from the cops and I guarantee you get roughed up. If you don't believe me..... Try it sometime.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think anyone is "justifying" it.

Even if it was illegal, and wrong, I do think there is still room to debate whether the suspect contributed to it, at least in a moral sense, by having defied lawful commands.

Again, that is not justifying it. It is, however, accounting for the realities of the entire situation, not just the last 2 seconds of it.
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Thankfully someone understands.....
 
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jp1 said:
Why does the job make racism more likely?
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Because the war on drugs is such a big part of law enforcement. It invariably leads them to disproportionately police minority neighborhoods, which in and of itself is a bad result, but it also invariably leads them to profile.

The field of behavioral economics is quite fascinating, and it's very convincing in its explanation of how all we make snap judgments through mental "shortcuts". It's the only way to perform efficient decision making in your daily life (the alternative is perpetual paralysis by analysis).

Basically it says we all make strong associations in our judgments that aren't based in reality, it's just our perception of reality, and these associations are what enable us to make snap judgments. We are often right in our snap judgments, and we tend to forget about the times we are wrong. Long story short, we're all racist. Nobody is color blind. Cops are just in a position to make snap judgments based on race with massive consequences, and then we all get to second-guess them like we're color blind.

I'm really hard on cops, and those that do murder are deserving of that, but mostly I'm just upset with the way the system works, not how individual cops behave. We all follow incentives. We just need to make better incentives for cops, and get rid of the really bad incentives.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
damn it I'm not condoning what the officer did..... He shot him in the back 8 times!

People have yelled at their neighbors many times without the slightest amount of harm coming to them..... Run from the cops and I guarantee you get roughed up. If you don't believe me..... Try it sometime.
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It is reasonable to expect that running from the cops could lead to you getting chased and tackled. It is not reasonable to expect to get shot multiple times in the back by the cops.

It is reasonable to expect that yelling at your neighbor could lead to him yelling back, or perhaps even create a confrontation. It is not reasonable to expect to get shot by the neighbor.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And I'm going to ask you once again to provide proof of this.

Or will you choice to ignore the question again
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I never ignored anything, never saw it.

Your tone certainly makes you sound very much like a police officer though.

I don't need to cite proof to please you. Take your blinders off. My god, these idiots kill or abuse people at the drop of a hat. Pulled over for a broken tailight? F that sob. He was not protecting or serving anything but himself.
 
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allvol123 said:
I never ignored anything, never saw it.

Your tone certainly makes you sound very much like a police officer though.

I don't need to cite proof to please you. Take your blinders off. My god, these idiots kill or abuse people at the drop of a hat. Pulled over for a broken tailight? F that sob. He was not protecting or serving anything but himself.
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So you have no proof.

Might have saved a lot of typing if you just said that.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
damn it I'm not condoning what the officer did..... He shot him in the back 8 times!

People have yelled at their neighbors many times without the slightest amount of harm coming to them..... Run from the cops and I guarantee you get roughed up. If you don't believe me..... Try it sometime.
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You may not be condining but you've spent way more time talking about the guy running than the guy shooting him in back.
 
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