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allvol123 said:
You have no proof that refutes my statement.

Awesome game you got going on here. At this point, you would arrest me, right?
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You said there is "massive" incompetence and corruption in police forces. You made a statement like that, got called out and now try to demand period to the contrary?

No, it's up to you to back up your bull**** claim. Now where is your proof?

As for arresting you, have you done something wrong? Got any outstanding warrants?
 
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Grand Vol said:
You said there is "massive" incompetence and corruption in police forces. You made a statement like that, got called out and now try to demand period to the contrary?

No, it's up to you to back up your bull**** claim. Now where is your proof?

As for arresting you, have you done something wrong? Got any outstanding warrants?
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You're right. People get murdered for selling cigs and broken taillights is not massive incompetence at all. I have to understand your compass is much different than mine.

So you arrest people for doing wrong things? Illegal would be more appropriate, not wrong. But, as I said.

That said, I do what I believe is appropriate, regardless of the law.
 
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allvol123 said:
You're right. People get murdered for selling cigs and broken taillights is not massive incompetence at all. I have to understand your compass is much different than mine.

So you arrest people for doing wrong things? Illegal would be more appropriate, not wrong. But, as I said.

That said, I do what I believe is appropriate, regardless of the law.
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You have seen me defending the actions in New York?

So again, you made a BS claim and got called out on it. It's okay, even I'm wrong from time to time.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Because the war on drugs is such a big part of law enforcement. It invariably leads them to disproportionately police minority neighborhoods, which in and of itself is a bad result, but it also invariably leads them to profile.

The field of behavioral economics is quite fascinating, and it's very convincing in its explanation of how all we make snap judgments through mental "shortcuts". It's the only way to perform efficient decision making in your daily life (the alternative is perpetual paralysis by analysis).

Basically it says we all make strong associations in our judgments that aren't based in reality, it's just our perception of reality, and these associations are what enable us to make snap judgments. We are often right in our snap judgments, and we tend to forget about the times we are wrong. Long story short, we're all racist. Nobody is color blind. Cops are just in a position to make snap judgments based on race with massive consequences, and then we all get to second-guess them like we're color blind.

I'm really hard on cops, and those that do murder are deserving of that, but mostly I'm just upset with the way the system works, not how individual cops behave. We all follow incentives. We just need to make better incentives for cops, and get rid of the really bad incentives.
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This is probably one of the more reasonable posts I've seen you make in this thread.

For the sake of discussion, what incentives would work better?
 
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Grand Vol said:
You have seen me defending the actions in New York?

So again, you made a BS claim and got called out on it. It's okay, even I'm wrong from time to time.
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No b.s. claim and no called out.

Oh you seem like a cop, you are never wrong. All the geniuses become cops.
 
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allvol123 said:
No b.s. claim and no called out.

Oh you seem like a cop, you are never wrong. All the geniuses become cops.
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Obviously I'm smarter than you are. You can't even debate a simple point without getting all butt hurt when you get bested by a lowly, dumb cop.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Obviously I'm smarter than you are. You can't even debate a simple point without getting all butt hurt when you get bested by a lowly, dumb cop.
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We all get bested by cops. That is what they do.

That said, grammatically speaking you would leave off the "are" in your first sentence. Being a rule follower, it seems you would want to know this. You're welcome.
 
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allvol123 said:
We all get bested by cops. That is what they do.

That said, grammatically speaking you would leave off the "are" in your first sentence. Being a rule follower, it seems you would want to know this. You're welcome.
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Oh I'm just an incompetent and corrupt type. I wouldn't know about such things.

And a racist apparently.
 
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GV i respect your opinion due to posts like the last one. Some here act like you are always biased. You call it fair the way i see it. Ive been around good cops and bad. Just like every other profession on the planet. Nothing to see here.
 
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Grand Vol said:
No what is (rightfully) going to get him convicted is shooting a person in the back eight times.

It was an execution.
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Yes it was, but I think the way he casually picked up the tazer and dropped it beside the guy will be what motivates the one or two jurors that might be hesitant to convict.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Yes it was, but I think the way he casually picked up the tazer and dropped it beside the guy will be what motivates the one or two jurors that might be hesitant to convict.
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I don't think the jurors would be hesitant at all.

If the guy was a hard core criminal that posed a threat to society, you might have a case. He owed child support and appeared to barely make it twenty feet before being out of breath. And that's what will convict him.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I don't think the jurors would be hesitant at all.

If the guy was a hard core criminal that posed a threat to society, you might have a case. He owed child support and appeared to barely make it twenty feet before being out of breath. And that's what will convict him.
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You think he'll be convicted of murder?

They're supposed to release the dash cam footage of the initial stop tomorrow. I doubt it helps his cause since the cops have already thrown him under the bus. You know they saw it before they made their public statements.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
You think he'll be convicted of murder?

They're supposed to release the dash cam footage of the initial stop tomorrow. I doubt it helps his cause since the cops have already thrown him under the bus. You know they saw it before they made their public statements.
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I think he will.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Run from the cops and I guarantee you get roughed up. If you don't believe me..... Try it sometime.
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Not in Thailand...

American woman goes on half-hour road rampage in Thailand, injures 2 before cops shoot her tires

Police eventually opened fire on her tires and then, after she refused to leave the locked car, smashed her front passenger window to arrest her.
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They had to have kept her alive if they were able to arrest her.

That same stunt in the USSA would have obviously gotten this woman killed by the cops.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not in Thailand...

American woman goes on half-hour road rampage in Thailand, injures 2 before cops shoot her tires



They had to have kept her alive if they were able to arrest her.

That same stunt in the USSA would have obviously gotten this woman killed by the cops.
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Maybe if they allowed caning like they do in Thailand, some of our fine upstanding citizens would learn how to act.

Just curious though, had the woman killed the 2 people on bicycles would your view on proper handling of this case have changed?
 
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