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jp1 said:
I don't believe every single case is justifiable, however again your implication is none are. I'm sure there are bad officers out there, however I think the majority are good and have a very difficult job to do.
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He has given no such implication in what he has said. Unless by the term 'implication' you do not actually mean implication.
 
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jp1 said:
I don't believe every single case is justifiable, however again your implication is none are. I'm sure there are bad officers out there, however I think the majority are good and have a very difficult job to do.
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Stop lying. I never implied that all shootings aren't justifiable, I said that all LEOs are incentivized to tell a story that paints them in the best possible light. This is true for every individual officer, regardless of whether the specific incident was justifiable or not.

This is a problem because in the case of a shooting that was not justifiable, it often becomes a situation of the LEOs' word against video, eyewitnesses, or nothing at all because the only other person is the deceased, and their word prevails. And thus, since their risk of recourse is so low, they are emboldened to use deadly force when otherwise a normal person would not.
 
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jp1 said:
Can that reason ever be that is what happened? Thats what you and your right hand man are afraid to admit.
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Yes, their story can match the facts. The problem is that a strong incentive is always there to distort the truth in order to make their actions look justified.

Just as one would not trust the testimony of a murderer and his friends when other evidence was available, we ought not trust the testimony of LE when other evidence is available. Yet, we privilege the LE testimony, while deriding that of the common murderer. That's wrong.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Funny how all the same sheeple put all their faith into the big, bad police force.

It is without a doubt the most direct medium of government power over the general populace, and you along with others unconditionally defend it.

At least you and LG have something to agree on, which keeps you from having to deal with huff, Rebel, and I (since the three of us are SO liberal).
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Not unconditionally Dink.... But I do defend a policeman's right to protect himself. You guys act as if every time a cop arrests someone they're violating their civil rights. The common factor in nearly all of these incidents is the perp acting a f'ing fool.
I didn't condone or try to defend the cop that body slammed the Indian man in Alabama.... That was BS and I hope he gets what he deserves.
The homeless guy goes back into his tent after the police encountered him and then comes out swinging ...... I don't care who the cop is ...... They're gonna beat your ass if you do that ...... And worse if you grab for their gun.
LAPD Shooting: New Video Shows Man Enter His Tent Before His Death - ABC News
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Funny how all the same sheeple put all their faith into the big, bad police force.

It is without a doubt the most direct medium of government power over the general populace, and you along with others unconditionally defend it.

At least you and LG have something to agree on, which keeps you from having to deal with huff, Rebel, and I (since the three of us are SO liberal).
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I never said anything about liberals.... Those are your words
 
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therealUT said:
Yes, their story can match the facts. The problem is that a strong incentive is always there to distort the truth in order to make their actions look justified.

Just as one would not trust the testimony of a murderer and his friends when other evidence was available, we ought not trust the testimony of LE when other evidence is available. Yet, we privilege the LE testimony, while deriding that of the common murderer. That's wrong.
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In your opinion.
 
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tim said:
In your opinion.
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There is pretty solid evidence supporting this. What percentage of police shootings are investigated by authorities outside of the police departments? What percentage of police shootings are found to be accidental, negligent or illegal?

Someone posted the stats on questions like these a while back and the results were outrageous. In many states no external agency reviews police conduct. In others the percentage is so small it is irrelevant.

Then of the police shootings that are investigated an incredibly low number are found to be wrongful. It was something less than 2%. 98% are justified?

Police claim to have rigorous accountability processes but then refuse to allow any sort of external reviews. Even the military justice system is subject to a civilian appeal board.

My point is that the police are deluding themselves and putting themselves in an untenable situation. If the majority of the police are good and honorable (and i believe they are) then there should be a percentage of bad actors that would be reflected in these statistics. Yet you don't see it. And the perception is going against the police because the man on the street doesn't see the accountability.
 
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hog88 said:
With that definition, no way could I support making it a felony.

Reasonable would be using violence to avoid arrest, using a firearm to threaten, something along those lines. Simply pulling out of the grasp of an officer is not a felony act!
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I feel like if I'm being unlawfully arrested or even just detained I should be allowed to use any appropriate means necessary to defend myself. I realize odds are extremely high I'll go my entire life and not encounter this scenario. Just think your example should read "Any use of violence to avoid lawful arrest".
 
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YorkVol said:
There is pretty solid evidence supporting this. What percentage of police shootings are investigated by authorities outside of the police departments? What percentage of police shootings are found to be accidental, negligent or illegal?

Someone posted the stats on questions like these a while back and the results were outrageous. In many states no external agency reviews police conduct. In others the percentage is so small it is irrelevant.

Then of the police shootings that are investigated an incredibly low number are found to be wrongful. It was something less than 2%. 98% are justified?

Police claim to have rigorous accountability processes but then refuse to allow any sort of external reviews. Even the military justice system is subject to a civilian appeal board.

My point is that the police are deluding themselves and putting themselves in an untenable situation. If the majority of the police are good and honorable (and i believe they are) then there should be a percentage of bad actors that would be reflected in these statistics. Yet you don't see it. And the perception is going against the police because the man on the street doesn't see the accountability.
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Can anyone provide a link to any of this? Not that I'm doubting it, I'm just having a hard time tracking down this information on my own.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Praise the Lord… This animal and his 217 g of pot have been taken off the streets for good.

I read in another article that the officer involved is okay. We can all stop worrying. He didn't sprain his trigger finger when he shot an unarmed man in the face. What a blessing.
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As long as the officer gets to go home safely at the end of the day, we're all good.
 
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jp1 said:
You guys are impossible. So Im guessing all cops are cold blooded murderers? Its pointless to try to have a conversation with someone that is so closed minded. Carry on.
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No, all cops are human... and humans lie when it is to their advantage to lie.

No one is above being scrutinized or questioned.
 
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jp1 said:
Can that reason ever be that is what happened? Thats what you and your right hand man are afraid to admit.
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It is within the realm of possibility that the officer may be telling the truth. That has happened on occasion.

So what is your point?
 
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