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SpaceCoastVol said:
Obsessed.. if you don't mind saying, how much did it cost you for the DUI? Just curious.
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Mind you, this was in memphis in 1997.

1500.00 was the normal fee then. I tossed the lawyer 3,000. He put a down payment on a bmw and my charges went away.
Thank god too, the presiding judge had just lost two nephews to a drunk driver.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The design perspective affects the forensic perspective. I won't deny that most modern roadways are built with a considerable amount of safety margin. But the data is generally conclusive in the construction and the formulas used. Coefficient of friction for example is an equation that's used worldwide and an accepted standard.

Most US Interstate roadways generally have a critical speed of at least 150 MPH or more. So I agree there is a considerable amount of safety built into the system as that speed relies greatly on conditional factors. I'm not sure what textbook they recommended for your class, but the formulas used are, again, the worldwide standard.
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I won't dispute that for the most part, the accepted practices are universal. That doesn't mean that they are particularly precise in their final design. Coefficient of friction is something that can easily be tested time and again. However, applying it isn't so practical. Like you said, conditions change everything. Also, not everybody has the same type of tires (tread or material composition). So you have to approximate (Voodoo wizardry) an average friction coefficient among roadway users. Reaction time is something that varies GREATLY from driver to driver, yet somehow they have managed to come up with an acceptable average of that? Visual acuity is another thing with great variance from user to user, yet is shoehorned into an equation as though there is a standard that could be approximated. Sight lines is another thing that varies greatly from vehicle to vehicle. The roadways must be designed for every possible user and every possible condition, and in doing the design the factors of safety for this variable compounds the factors of safety for that variable and at the end of the process you've got a vastly more conservative design than is needed.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
I won't dispute that for the most part, the accepted practices are universal. That doesn't mean that they are particularly precise in their final design. Coefficient of friction is something that can easily be tested time and again. However, applying it isn't so practical. Like you said, conditions change everything. Also, not everybody has the same type of tires (tread or material composition). So you have to approximate (Voodoo wizardry) an average friction coefficient among roadway users. Reaction time is something that varies GREATLY from driver to driver, yet somehow they have managed to come up with an acceptable average of that? Visual acuity is another thing with great variance from user to user, yet is shoehorned into an equation as though there is a standard that could be approximated. Sight lines is another thing that varies greatly from vehicle to vehicle. The roadways must be designed for every possible user and every possible condition, and in doing the design the factors of safety for this variable compounds the factors of safety for that variable and at the end of the process you've got a vastly more conservative design than is needed.
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Actually tire design and construction is not taken into account in critical speed. Wit good reason though.

I'm not trying to be insulting when I ask if you are familiar with what the critical speed equation is all about.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Actually tire design and construction is not taken into account in critical speed. Wit good reason though.

I'm not trying to be insulting when I ask if you are familiar with what the critical speed equation is all about.
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Yes critical speed relates the cornering capacity of a vehicle with respect to the geometric curvature of a roadway. It is one variable in highway design. It isn't the end result.
 
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Obsessed said:
Mind you, this was in memphis in 1997.

1500.00 was the normal fee then. I tossed the lawyer 3,000. He put a down payment on a bmw and my charges went away.
Thank god too, the presiding judge had just lost two nephews to a drunk driver.
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Y'ouch.... thanks for sharing. I had a friend in the Navy that got busted but she never told us how much she spent to get out of it. I know that it was a lot though.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Y'ouch.... thanks for sharing. I had a friend in the Navy that got busted but she never told us how much she spent to get out of it. I know that it was a lot though.
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That's a lot of dough when you are 21.

I actually had a buddy get a DUI and joined the navy to get out of it. Lol
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Yes critical speed relates the cornering capacity of a vehicle with respect to the geometric curvature of a roadway. It is one variable in highway design. It isn't the end result.
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Exactly, that's the maximum speed where any vehicle, regardless if it's a Ford Escort or a Ferrari, will leave the roadway since it's physically impossible for them to remain on it. Which is why tire design and vehicle weight is not taken into account for the equation. It's a useless variable that won't affect the overall outcome.

BTW, critical speed can be used on straight roadways. It's just the speeds are so ridiculous they generally aren't mentioned.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I honestly don't have stats to back this up, but I'd be willing to bet the fines for traffic violations make up a very small percentage of income for LE just about anywhere. There are far more lucrative ways of generating income than a $40 fine for running a stop sign.
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They were saying the BS citations (jaywalking and such) were a huge part of NYC's revenue.

Strictly speaking speeding tickets, if 20% of the population gets a traffic citation that averages $150, then my small town of Ceday City, UT (29,000, and 2/3 of them drive) paid $580k in speeding tickets, alone. Not sure how much of the police budget that would account for, but sounds like a lot.

$300k in speeding fines per police officer annually (I assume that doesn't count highway patrol?). Wow.

Driving Citation Statistics | Statistic Brain
 
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n_huffhines said:
They were saying the BS citations (jaywalking and such) were a huge part of NYC's revenue.

Strictly speaking speeding tickets, if 20% of the population gets a traffic citation that averages $150, then my small town of Ceday City, UT (29,000, and 2/3 of them drive) paid $580k in speeding tickets, alone. Not sure how much of the police budget that would account for, but sounds like a lot.

$300k in speeding fines per police officer annually (I assume that doesn't count highway patrol?). Wow.

Driving Citation Statistics | Statistic Brain
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Interesting numbers.....looks like the top 4 citation states are blue and 8 of the top ten......go figure
 
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n_huffhines said:
They were saying the BS citations (jaywalking and such) were a huge part of NYC's revenue.

Strictly speaking speeding tickets, if 20% of the population gets a traffic citation that averages $150, then my small town of Ceday City, UT (29,000, and 2/3 of them drive) paid $580k in speeding tickets, alone. Not sure how much of the police budget that would account for, but sounds like a lot.

$300k in speeding fines per police officer annually (I assume that doesn't count highway patrol?). Wow.

Driving Citation Statistics | Statistic Brain
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Likely does include highway patrol and state police forces.

Fairly interesting stats.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Likely does include highway patrol and state police forces.

Fairly interesting stats.
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I can't believe the 300k number, but I couldn't find anything that refuted it. I looked at all of the top 10 results in google. Some of them linked to that so I went with it. I am skeptical though.

One thing I did stumble across showed a town of 47 people supports like 3/4 of the town's budget with traffic citations.

The Town That Lived Off Speeding Tickets | Fox Business
 
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n_huffhines said:
I can't believe the 300k number, but I couldn't find anything that refuted it. I looked at all of the top 10 results in google. Some of them linked to that so I went with it. I am skeptical though.

One thing I did stumble across showed a town of 47 people supports like 3/4 of the town's budget with traffic citations.

The Town That Lived Off Speeding Tickets | Fox Business
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I'm wondering if it takes traffic cameras into account as well and is just an average across the board. Cameras don't discriminate above a certain speed.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Police want app ‘Waze’ to be disabled | Ben Swann Truth In Media

Thoughts?
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Not necessarily buying the justification behind the "stalking" thing. If it only lets someone know there is a car in the area, but not specifics on who, it's not exactly that bad.

But from a criminal aspect, it does show where the cops are not. So I could see this being used for nefarious purposes by the criminal element.

On the fence at the moment as I can see both sides of this.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Not necessarily buying the justification behind the "stalking" thing. If it only lets someone know there is a car in the area, but not specifics on who, it's not exactly that bad.

But from a criminal aspect, it does show where the cops are not. So I could see this being used for nefarious purposes by the criminal element.

On the fence at the moment as I can see both sides of this.
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It's a nice little app. It's not just to spot cops, although it's useful. I'm in Birmingham and when I start the app, it tells me there are 438 waze users nearby. I'm not sure of the radius.
It's also used to warn of accidents and traffic delays in real time. I like it a lot.
 

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Haha, here it is, I guess. If I'm just now hearing about it, 95% of the US hasn't heard about it.
 
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