To Protect and to Serve...

[SamRebel35]

You guys need to remember. Tim was/is not your typical cop. He was a fed. The thought process is different. Count, while a cop, isn't your typical officer either. Grandvol (which I've meet and talk to frequently) I believe to be more of a investigator/detective.

I believe all these guys have formed their opinions much like the rest of us have. One on one experiences. They deal with the trash of the world on a daily basis while our interactions may be limited to once or twice a year.
I've seen some cops try and pull some shady crap before, but I don't lump them all together.

Just my .02

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[tim]

I'm not sure what is so confusing about any of that, tim. She picked a group of friends up early at one friend's house. She didn't want to take all of her stuff with her when they went on their outing, so she took what she needed out of her purse and her friend threw her purse on a bed in the bedroom. They left.

So she did not live in the house.. Did her friends? Was it her friend's residence that "threw her purse" on a bed? Why would'nt she take her purse?

Around midnight, they came back and the place was being staked out because the guy was suspected of distributing some designer drug (forget what it was). They pulled them out of the car when they pulled up and searched them. No drugs or paraphernalia were found.

Was the guy under suspicion with them? Was the guy under suspicion her bf?

They went inside and searched the place, found my daughter's purse in the same room as equipment for separating the drugs for distribution.

Interesting that "her friend" threw the purse on this bed thus removing your daughter from ever being in the room.

They arrested her for possession of the drugs, and the equipment added intent to distribute. She got the charges because of the proximity of her purse.

Proximity of a purse is certainally terrible probable cause unless there were other items in the room to show domain.

(The next day, when I asked the detective how proximity equates to "possession", he kind of laughed and said, "Well, what is 'possession', legally speaking? Legally, it's a loose term.")

It is a loose term, but it has definitions as it has been litigated.

I had several conversations with the arresting detective. His story changed several times, once he discovered that she was not the underweight drug addict he suspected to start with.

Sounds like the detective wanted to help you out by speaking with you several times. It sounds like your daughter was an adult at the time of arrest and most officers will not discuss investigations with parents of adult aged children. I know I would'nt have.


Under advice of my brother, who is LEO, we had her drug tested as soon as we bailed her out of jail. She tested clean, of course.

What was the drug test for? Most designer drugs do not have a drug test available.

When the attorney was retained and we looked at the police report, I noticed that it said that they were at the residence when the sting went down, let LEO in to do the search, as opposed to not at the residence, pulling up from out of state, searched, clean, etc... and then escorted into the residence from outside.

Kind of semantics here. You initially said that the house was staked out, so technically the sting didnt go down until contact was made with your daughter and her friends. BTW, were any of her other friends arrested?

I knew from the detective's conversation with me that this was untrue, so did our own amateur investigation to show this. When the detective saw that he was about to be exposed as having forged the report, he walked over and asked the DA to drop all charges.

If not for that, he was still gunning for her.

What is confusing about that, tim?

Well, there are several things I'm asking. Investigations are hard to sum up with out knowing the details. I'm a details guy, and if you don't want to keep answering I'll understand. You mentioned that it was a Federal investigation and I just don't see this rising to the level of catching a US attorney's eye as something that was going to be Federally prosecuted. Maybe he was bluffing.. You also mentioned that the right to counsel was bs because you made too much money.. If your daughter was an adult she would've been responsible, does she make too much money also? What state was this in?

Also, I know it's hard to see, but I commented under your paragraphs in your above post.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

I may have posted this story before, I'm not sure if i have. don't think so.

dec23 2013

I was dropping off a laborer that worked on the same jobsite i was running. he lives in a bad neighborhood in the small town that I live in pop roughly 5000. It had just gotten dark, and i pulled out of the neighborhood and on to the main road, which is directly across the street from the plice department.
when i pulled onto the main street, i noticed a cop pull out from 1 block down and gun it so that he could get behind me. I turned left and proceeded to drive the mile or so towrds my house. when i got 100 yards from my house, he hit the blues. I continued to drive the rest of the way to my house and parked on the street in front of my house. nobody was home.
when he got to my window, he asked for license etc. and i politely asked him why he pulled me over. he said that the light for my license plate was out. I told him that was strange because i had changed both it and a head light the week before. he then said "what were you doing in that neighborhood bak there? are there any drugs or weapons in your van?" i said no of course not and that i neither drink nor drug.
the cop went to his car with his partner (blue lights still on, another car shown up blues as well in front of my neighbors) when he came badk he asked me to step out of the car, that i was coming from a drug neighborhood and he wanted to search my van. I let him...stood behind my van as him and his partner tore apart my van completely for 15 minutes...while being complete dicks to me convinced that i has drugs in my van.
after they searched for 15 minutes and found nothing, the cop came bacj out of my van and asked me to turn around. he placed me in handcuffs and told me iwas under arrest. i had gotten a ticket in my old truck for an expired tag a few months earleir, and then sold the truck. the ticket was in the truck apparently and i had forgotten about it. i had a warrant for my arrest (!!!) for failing to appear in court for that non moving violation in hickory, NC. my wife was shopping with her parents, and had nonidea this was going on.
I asked the cop to please let me use my cellphone... told him that i needed to please call my wife to tell her what was going on. that nobody would know where i was...since i would be missing...and i would likely miss christmas with my family and worry them to death. i had been nothing but respectful to this cop...yessir and no sir...he was about the same age as me.
the cop told me that he didnt let people use their phones. he took my phone and all the other contents of my pockets...while i was cuffed...and groped my junk as he searched me... in front of my neighbors....as this had now been going on for about 30 minutes...with blue lights on tne whole time. then he proceeded to haul me off to jail...with my truck still unlocked with 5000 dollars worth of tools in it...and never let me even look at my phone to get numbers out of it much less use it. the tail light that illuminates my license plate WAS WORKING PERFECTLY as my lights were still on on my van when he put me in the back of the patrol car.
my wife had recently changed cell phones...so i didnt even know her number, i just pushed her name to call her when needed...so the only number i could remember of anyone who could help me was my boss. by the time i was booked, searched again repeatedly, etc....it was after midnight. i wasnt going to call my boss that late. i waited until the nect morning....christmas eve....to call my boss and have him come bail me out of jail. my wife was at this point frantic...having called hospitals, all my family members etc. but never the jail because i had never been in any trouble since she has known me. so i spent the night in jail....had to be embarrassed in front of my neighbors, my boss, my wife and worry everyone....all because a cop made up a stright bull**** story about a light being out on my van in order to pull me over because i was leaving a "bad neighborhood". him proceeding to be an absolute dick caused me to also have to spend a night in jail....and i learned that you will be arrested over an expired license plate sticker in NC.
it cost me a couple hundred bucks to get out of jail...a couple hundred in fines etc to pay off hickory NC....and could have easily ruined christmas for my entire family....all when the cop had absolutely no reason to ever legally pull me over...

and yes...i realize i should have paid that ticket. that was my fault. i sold the truck and never thought about that ticket being in the truck. i get that part. this cop was an absolute dick for no reason tho....and i am done with them for life. i live in mayberry NC population 5k

 

[LouderVol]

i just don't lump them all together, which is what I try to do with any group of people. Simple idea, hard to carry out. I have dealt with two $$$hole cops, but have nothing against cops in general, you have to treat it case by case. Everybody here is up in arms about innocents getting connected to something yet most are willing to lump all cops into the same group that gets thrown under the bus. there are roughly 461,000 cops in the nation, old data but it will have to do, i would say that 90% daily deal with the public every day. yet we hear of around 1000 to 2000 cases a year (no data here) about bad cops. thats not even a percentage point of bad cops out of the population of cops. And if someone has solid numbers of 'bad cases' a year i would love to see them

 

[tim]

I'll just say this and be done with it. Tim, I respect what LEO is up against. I also respect the fact that LEO has to deal with the dark underbelly of society and it's easy to become jaded. I really do.

My personal experience showed me what that can cause when dealing with the citizenry they are sworn to serve. I too have become jaded. I have no easy answers. How do you hire a bunch of guys to deal with the lowest of the low, and them not become effected by it? But is it then acceptable consequence for how it effects them?

When the 'war on drugs' has produced a 'the ends justify the means' in our criminal justice system, we have reached a dangerous place as a nation.

Yes, x1000. I would also hope that you recognize both sides of the coin as far as drugs go. I hope your family is safe, happy, and prosperous. Sorry about what you and yours had to go through.

 

[YorkVol]

Not to derail the discussion on Crush's daughter, but this was from last weekend. Civil Forfeiture laws show just how far off track we've gone in this country.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks#t=136[/youtube]

 

[Orange_Crush]

Well, there are several things I'm asking. Investigations are hard to sum up with out knowing the details. I'm a details guy, and if you don't want to keep answering I'll understand. You mentioned that it was a Federal investigation and I just don't see this rising to the level of catching a US attorney's eye as something that was going to be Federally prosecuted. Maybe he was bluffing.. You also mentioned that the right to counsel was bs because you made too much money.. If your daughter was an adult she would've been responsible, does she make too much money also? What state was this in?

Also, I know it's hard to see, but I commented under your paragraphs in your above post.

She was an adult. Perhaps my brother advised counsel because he didn't trust she would get a good defense under public defense. Secondary issue.

I understand you are a detail guy and want as much as possible before commenting. So, unless I'm lying with what I have provided and you want to ascertain that... And considering that I'm becoming a bit uncomfortable in hindsight with the amount of personal info I've already thrown onto the interwebz... And if you were to give me the benefit of the doubt that I've been truthful and straightforward (Which I have ftr...)...

Consider the details I have already given.

She was arrested by LEO. The arresting detective told me he knew she wasn't guilty. He tried to get me to use her as leverage to get the guy he suspected as actually guilty to confess. If it was a bluff, he doubled down on the bluff by letting it go to trial. He only dropped the whole thing when he found out the morning of court that I was gunning to show him as a liar on his official report of the night in question.

It cost me $5000 in attorney retainer, with the danger of costing far more. My brother, an LEO, was scared that she may actually be convicted, and that they would be federal charges in federal prison. Again... This was all from a detective who snarkily let me know that he didn't think she was guilty, and who falsified a report to get the arrest.

If those details were true, what say you? That I should have let her get a public defender, and I wouldn't have been out my $$$? If all that is true (and it is), and you weren't LEO, and it happened to you and your family... What would you say? And how would you feel about the system with that being your singular part in it?

 

[tim]

I may have posted this story before, I'm not sure if i have. don't think so.

dec23 2013

I was dropping off a laborer that worked on the same jobsite i was running. he lives in a bad neighborhood in the small town that I live in pop roughly 5000. It had just gotten dark, and i pulled out of the neighborhood and on to the main road, which is directly across the street from the plice department.
when i pulled onto the main street, i noticed a cop pull out from 1 block down and gun it so that he could get behind me. I turned left and proceeded to drive the mile or so towrds my house. when i got 100 yards from my house, he hit the blues. I continued to drive the rest of the way to my house and parked on the street in front of my house. nobody was home.
when he got to my window, he asked for license etc. and i politely asked him why he pulled me over. he said that the light for my license plate was out. I told him that was strange because i had changed both it and a head light the week before. he then said "what were you doing in that neighborhood bak there? are there any drugs or weapons in your van?" i said no of course not and that i neither drink nor drug.
the cop went to his car with his partner (blue lights still on, another car shown up blues as well in front of my neighbors) when he came badk he asked me to step out of the car, that i was coming from a drug neighborhood and he wanted to search my van. I let him...stood behind my van as him and his partner tore apart my van completely for 15 minutes...while being complete dicks to me convinced that i has drugs in my van.
after they searched for 15 minutes and found nothing, the cop came bacj out of my van and asked me to turn around. he placed me in handcuffs and told me iwas under arrest. i had gotten a ticket in my old truck for an expired tag a few months earleir, and then sold the truck. the ticket was in the truck apparently and i had forgotten about it. i had a warrant for my arrest (!!!) for failing to appear in court for that non moving violation in hickory, NC. my wife was shopping with her parents, and had nonidea this was going on.
I asked the cop to please let me use my cellphone... told him that i needed to please call my wife to tell her what was going on. that nobody would know where i was...since i would be missing...and i would likely miss christmas with my family and worry them to death. i had been nothing but respectful to this cop...yessir and no sir...he was about the same age as me.
the cop told me that he didnt let people use their phones. he took my phone and all the other contents of my pockets...while i was cuffed...and groped my junk as he searched me... in front of my neighbors....as this had now been going on for about 30 minutes...with blue lights on tne whole time. then he proceeded to haul me off to jail...with my truck still unlocked with 5000 dollars worth of tools in it...and never let me even look at my phone to get numbers out of it much less use it. the tail light that illuminates my license plate WAS WORKING PERFECTLY as my lights were still on on my van when he put me in the back of the patrol car.
my wife had recently changed cell phones...so i didnt even know her number, i just pushed her name to call her when needed...so the only number i could remember of anyone who could help me was my boss. by the time i was booked, searched again repeatedly, etc....it was after midnight. i wasnt going to call my boss that late. i waited until the nect morning....christmas eve....to call my boss and have him come bail me out of jail. my wife was at this point frantic...having called hospitals, all my family members etc. but never the jail because i had never been in any trouble since she has known me. so i spent the night in jail....had to be embarrassed in front of my neighbors, my boss, my wife and worry everyone....all because a cop made up a stright bull**** story about a light being out on my van in order to pull me over because i was leaving a "bad neighborhood". him proceeding to be an absolute dick caused me to also have to spend a night in jail....and i learned that you will be arrested over an expired license plate sticker in NC.
it cost me a couple hundred bucks to get out of jail...a couple hundred in fines etc to pay off hickory NC....and could have easily ruined christmas for my entire family....all when the cop had absolutely no reason to ever legally pull me over...

and yes...i realize i should have paid that ticket. that was my fault. i sold the truck and never thought about that ticket being in the truck. i get that part. this cop was an absolute dick for no reason tho....and i am done with them for life. i live in mayberry NC population 5k

Did you get ticketed for the light over your license plate? Was'nt there, just speculating, he knew you were wanted when he ran your tag, but didnt tell you until he completed his search. Just a guess.

 

[govols/cc]

If you think people hold no hard feelings for getting cited on a traffic violation you are the one that is clueless. This is where most people form their opinion on LE. To argue otherwise is just silly. Getting a ticket on the interstate during morning traffic going into a down town area is'nt going to lead an officer to ask you invasive questions. Getting pulled over at 2 AM in most situations probably will.

Why does time of day have bearing on whether you step on my rights?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Yes, x1000. I would also hope that you recognize both sides of the coin as far as drugs go. I hope your family is safe, happy, and prosperous. Sorry about what you and yours had to go through.

I don't blame you, personally, and I'm not gunning for you. I still have a high regard for LEOs, even after the fact. I still have several family members and many friends who are LEO.

But I'll also say this... In part because of my family members and friends, I am conflicted. I see what the job has done to each of them and their worldview about society around them. They are different now, and the way they talk about people is startling.

I see who they have become in some ways, and I don't like it. I see why it has done this to them, and I understand.

I just don't have to like it.

We need to fix this if it can be fixed. How do we hire people to shovel excrement every night without them having its stench in their nostrils every day? But then, is it OK to treat everyone like excrement just because the stench is there?

Serious question, tim... Is there counseling and training mandated for officers, on how to do the job without losing respect for humanity? I'm not trying to be overly dramatic, but I'm sure you understand what I mean.

There is training on why you should see everyone as a threat, so you can go home at night. I get it. Is there any mandated training and counseling on how to not let that effect you?

 

[tim]

She was an adult. Perhaps my brother advised counsel because he didn't trust she would get a good defense under public defense. Secondary issue.

I understand you are a detail guy and want as much as possible before commenting. So, unless I'm lying with what I have provided and you want to ascertain that... And considering that I'm becoming a bit uncomfortable in hindsight with the amount of personal info I've already thrown onto the interwebz... And if you were to give me the benefit of the doubt that I've been truthful and straightforward (Which I have ftr...)...

Consider the details I have already given.

She was arrested by LEO. The arresting detective told me he knew she wasn't guilty. He tried to get me to use her as leverage to get the guy he suspected as actually guilty to confess. If it was a bluff, he doubled down on the bluff by letting it go to trial. He only dropped the whole thing when he found out the morning of court that I was gunning to show him as a liar on his official report of the night in question.

It cost me $5000 in attorney retainer, with the danger of costing far more. My brother, an LEO, was scared that she may actually be convicted, and that they would be federal charges in federal prison. Again... This was all from a detective who snarkily let me know that he didn't think she was guilty, and who falsified a report to get the arrest.

If those details were true, what say you? That I should have let her get a public defender, and I wouldn't have been out my $$$? If all that is true (and it is), and you weren't LEO, and it happened to you and your family... What would you say? And how would you feel about the system with that being your singular part in it?

Based on the limited information and believing you I would say the officer should be fired. I, if I were you, would take these facts to his boss and demand his job and or prosecution. It is illegal to make a false arrest knowingly. No one, ever, should be arrested in an attempt to obtain someone elses arrest.

 

[CNCVol88]

You have some deep psychological issues if you think they aren't. You go out of your way to try and be accepted by them.

No I just work with them and have daily correspondence with them.

 

[SamRebel35]

Based on the limited information and believing you I would say the officer should be fired. I, if I were you, would take these facts to his boss and demand his job and or prosecution. It is illegal to make a false arrest knowingly. No one, ever, should be arrested in an attempt to obtain someone elses arrest.

So did his daughter do the right thing by talking to the police?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Based on the limited information and believing you I would say the officer should be fired. I, if I were you, would take these facts to his boss and demand his job and or prosecution. It is illegal to make a false arrest knowingly. No one, ever, should be arrested in an attempt to obtain someone elses arrest.

I'm sure you probably understand that we were glad it was over and didn't want to stir the pot more.

I think I still deal with resentment issues against the detective. I'm still praying that:

1. God continues to deal with my heart and I can give grace to others as I have received it from Him.
2. That God deals with the detective as only He knows how best to deal with him.

This is years after the fact, and I think my issues show more about me than anyone else. Only I can control how I respond to others. God will deal with him as God sees fit.

:hi:

 

[tim]

I don't blame you, personally, and I'm not gunning for you. I still have a high regard for LEOs, even after the fact. I still have several family members and many friends who are LEO.

But I'll also say this... In part because of my family members and friends, I am conflicted. I see what the job has done to each of them and their worldview about society around them. They are different now, and the way they talk about people is startling.

I see who they have become in some ways, and I don't like it. I see why it has done this to them, and I understand.

I just don't have to like it.

We need to fix this if it can be fixed. How do we hire people to shovel excrement every night without them having its stench in their nostrils every day? But then, is it OK to treat everyone like excrement just because the stench is there?

Serious question, tim... Is there counseling and training mandated for officers, on how to do the job without losing respect for humanity? I'm not trying to be overly dramatic, but I'm sure you understand what I mean.

There is training on why you should see everyone as a threat, so you can go home at night. I get it. Is there any mandated training and counseling on how to not let that effect you?

You know it's human nature. Hogg probably doesnt care for drivers on the interstate and a cancer doctor probably gets tired of seeing smokers.

Personally, it was a process. Not everything is as bad or as good as it initially appears. But, take into consideration that when hired, at least for me, you become initiated with older/experienced guys who teach you the ropes. For a while you take on their beliefs/ characteristics because, hey they made it this far..mentality.. then, again for me, I went through a process of paving my own road and climbing the ladder.. then theres the I don't give a shat level. This is where I think I did some of my best work. This is where you go home earlier, tell your bosses that they're wrong, don't get pissed when someone misses a load, go home earlier ( I know I said that twice)..But, basically if you make it through the first two stages then you usually end up with someone like me, I know Sam is disappointed..I've heard the stories and I've seen the bad cops. I've also heard the stories and seen the good cops. So I try to never take anything as gospel unless I was there or someone I deeply trust was there.

 

[tim]

So did his daughter do the right thing by talking to the police?

Did you read the information?

 

[Orange_Crush]

So did his daughter do the right thing by talking to the police?

Did you read the information?

To be honest, I believe it would have made zero difference.

 

[SamRebel35]

Did you read the information?

Yes. Sounds like she would be much better served to have gotten an attorney before she ever opened her mouth.

 

[tim]

Did you read the information?

In this instance, presumably, we are dealing with someone who amounts to a crook with a badge. She was going to be arrested with or without a confession. How did her willingness to speak with the police hurt her in this instance? I could argue that her willingness to speak to LE helped her get her own case dismissed by twisting the Detective into lying on a government document.

 

[SamRebel35]

In this instance, presumably, we are dealing with someone who amounts to a crook with a badge. She was going to be arrested with or without a confession. How did her willingness to speak with the police hurt her in this instance? I could argue that her willingness to speak to LE helped her get her own case dismissed by twisting the Detective into lying on a government document.

I think having her attorney present before talking would have been far better and could have altered the course the the badged crook was going to take to try to catch the main suspect.

 

[tim]

I think having her attorney present before talking would have been far better and could have altered the course the the badged crook was going to take to try to catch the main suspect.

If I have my facts straight she was arrested immediately after the search. She had nothing to hide and told the truth. Attorneys do not come to scenes and rarely come out after midnight. In 99% of the cases you get in your car and go home. The difference in this equation is that you have a crook involved on the wrong side who was pre determined to make an arrest. We dont even know if she was Mirandized, but how would an attorney have altered the course of this? You place a lot of faith in attorney's.

Some of my best confessions came in the presence of attorney's. The prisons are full of people who had attorney's.. Why? because 99% of cops do a good job and 99% of people are guilty. It's a guess, so don't ask for a citation.. I will agree that 1% and life experiences like Orange's are unacceptable, but when and where humans are involved bad things will happen. Saying things like never, all, and always are things that paranoid people say when referring to human beings.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Did you get ticketed for the light over your license plate? Was'nt there, just speculating, he knew you were wanted when he ran your tag, but didnt tell you until he completed his search. Just a guess.

i wasnt't ticketed...how could he? and the tag on the truck is registered to the company. he just made up a reason to pull me over...looking for dope...and then was a complete butthead to me despite yessir and nosir i believe just because he had to work christmas eve. his attitude regarding my phone cost me a night in jail and embarrassment in front of my boss...and his made up reason to pull me over cost me the cost of getting bailed out instead of simply paying the fines.

i was pulled over again in early january by a different cop leqving the same neighborhood. he asked to search... i let him for about 5 minutes then i lost patience. i asked him if i was free to go and he immediately copped an attitude. i told the cop that this was twice i had been stopped for no reason and searched and if it happened again i would take it to the highest authorities necessary to make sure everyone involved was reprimanded for police harrassment. i was super pissed and left.
i dont know the cops on this board and have nothing against you. these barney fifes around here looking to make a name for themselves with a drug bust are scum...and i am done with them. I have a right to drive in any neighborhood i want to...and not be harrassed by cops. I can help people with a ride if i want. our church van runs to the same hood and brings people to church every sunday...bet they dont get pulled over. I have no respect at all for the cops here...or in charlotte next door. they way that they bait people and try to skirt the law when dealing with everyday citizens is shameful.

how can there be a "bad neighborhood" directly across the main street from the shiny new 10 million dollar police station we can't afford? If there is dope being sold over there enough to make it a bad hood then why don't they spend every waking minute over there instead of setting up speed traps half a mile up the road where they can hide their cars in the bushes when the speed limit abruptly drops by 15mph (its a speed trap) are they scared to do the hard part of being a cop and kick in doors and grab thugs selling dope? are they just lazy and they would rather sit in their car on facebook trying to cheat on their wives until the radar beeps with a big speeding ticket? is there any excuse for being a dick to somebody who has done nothing but 'sir' them since he got pulled over? i am done with them. its all i can do to teach my kids to treat the police with respect knowing that most of them around here do not deserve it at all......

 

[hog88]

You know it's human nature. Hogg probably doesnt care for drivers on the interstate and a cancer doctor probably gets tired of seeing smokers.

You would be wrong, dirty cars make me money. And smokers make the doctor money.

 

[hog88]

In this instance, presumably, we are dealing with someone who amounts to a crook with a badge. She was going to be arrested with or without a confession. How did her willingness to speak with the police hurt her in this instance? I could argue that her willingness to speak to LE helped her get her own case dismissed by twisting the Detective into lying on a government document.

She should have refused to go into the apartment and said "hell, I don't have a clue how my purse got there, just dropping friends off, see ya!".

 

[SamRebel35]

Some of my best confessions came in the presence of attorney's. The prisons are full of people who had attorney's.. Why? because 99% of cops do a good job and 99% of people are guilty. It's a guess, so don't ask for a citation.. I will agree that 1% and life experiences like Orange's are unacceptable, but when and where humans are involved bad things will happen. Saying things like never, all, and always are things that paranoid people say when referring to human beings.

A guilty person with an attorney is completely different from an innocent person with an attorney.

Perhaps I'm screwing up the chronology of events. But was it possible for her to have not cooperated and not spoken to anyone until the next day when an attorney could be present? I don't see how that could have possibly worked against her. At worst it would accomplish nothing, at best, it would have saved her from having to go through all this crap with a crooked cop and her life would not have hung in the balance.