To Protect and to Serve II

[n_huffhines]

This pod dives into why the US has 3x as many fatal police shootings as any other country

Freakonomics Radio - 476. What Are the Police for, Anyway? on Stitcher

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

And the incident by itself it would’ve been handled differently. But as per his probation and the long history of thefts and other stuff, it all adds up

And again, you keep hammering on and on about how it is lawful and legal. I'm pointing out that it is bad law because ridiculous situations like this.

You obviously see nothing wrong with the law.

 

[Rickyvol77]

And again, you keep hammering on and on about how it is lawful and legal. I'm pointing out that it is bad law because ridiculous situations like this.

You obviously see nothing wrong with the law.

So again do you believe that criminals should be allowed to commit crimes over and over again?

 

[DynaLo]

When I go into a store and see a 10 for $10 sign and I take 3 items to checkout they charge me $3 bucks +tax. On a 2 for $5 and I only buy 1 item I get charged $2.50 + tax. It’s been that way in various stores across multiple states for years.

Was there a sign next to the 2 for $3 clearly stating that single item purchases would be charged full price? Did he actually know at that specific time he was committing a crime via underpaying?
People are upset because it’s a bullcrap crime. It’s very highly likely that millions of people in this country, especially at a convenience store, would see a 2 for $3 sign, grab one thinking $1.50+tax, as is normal in the majority of places, hold up the single item, put money on the counter and tell the clerk, “hey, these are 2/$3, I only got one, here’s $2 bucks, keep the change” and walk out of the store.

His previous record nor probation requirements change the fact that it was bullcrap to begin with.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So again do you believe that criminals should be allowed to commit crimes over and over again?

Use discretion and common sense. Every minor infraction doesn't need to end in an arrest.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Use discretion and common sense. Every minor infraction doesn't need to end in an arrest.

And when there are 40 straight “minor” infractions from the same person? Just send them home with a scolding?

 

[MercyPercy]

If ricky is willing to arrest you and support a 7 year sentence over 43 cents, I just have to laugh at the folks who keep saying the police are on your side and they won't follow liberty infringing instructions that they don't agree with. They'll just do what ricky is doing and rationalize whatever they are asked to do because muh laws and muh pension.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

If ricky is willing to arrest you and support a 7 year sentence over 43 cents, I just have to laugh at the folks who keep saying the police are on your side and they won't follow liberty infringing instructions that they don't agree with. They'll just do what ricky is doing and rationalize whatever they are asked to do because muh laws and muh pension.

I've been screaming that for years. We have far too many people on the right that have an unhealthy worship of LEOs. They will ram open your doors and take your guns the minute the order is given.

 

[Rickyvol77]

When I go into a store and see a 10 for $10 sign and I take 3 items to checkout they charge me $3 bucks +tax. On a 2 for $5 and I only buy 1 item I get charged $2.50 + tax. It’s been that way in various stores across multiple states for years.

Was there a sign next to the 2 for $3 clearly stating that single item purchases would be charged full price? Did he actually know at that specific time he was committing a crime via underpaying?
People are upset because it’s a bullcrap crime. It’s very highly likely that millions of people in this country, especially at a convenience store, would see a 2 for $3 sign, grab one thinking $1.50+tax, as is normal in the majority of places, hold up the single item, put money on the counter and tell the clerk, “hey, these are 2/$3, I only got one, here’s $2 bucks, keep the change” and walk out of the store.

His previous record nor probation requirements change the fact that it was bullcrap to begin with.

Except the clerk told him twice and followed him out for him to correct the issue and he told the clerk to F himself

 

[Rickyvol77]

If ricky is willing to arrest you and support a 7 year sentence over 43 cents, I just have to laugh at the folks who keep saying the police are on your side and they won't follow liberty infringing instructions that they don't agree with. They'll just do what ricky is doing and rationalize whatever they are asked to do because muh laws and muh pension.

Again. He didn’t get 7 years just because of 43 cents. It’s like some have no comprehension of what happened

 

[DynaLo]

Except the clerk told him twice and followed him out for him to correct the issue and he told the clerk to F himself

Then if true, there was the problem, his attitude about the situation and maybe life itself. Folks like him need to learn to check their attitudes when others are trying to help them make a situation right. Unfortunately we see more attitudes in today’s society than responsibility or appreciation of even simple assistance.

 

[VolStrom]

What kind of idiot calls the police over 43 cents?

 

[NurseGoodVol]

They need 13 pages to say the sgt and sheriffs were breaking the law and stepping on the first amendment? First 2 paragraphs would have done the job. This is part of what is wrong with the justice system.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Then if true, there was the problem, his attitude about the situation and maybe life itself. Folks like him need to learn to check their attitudes when others are trying to help them make a situation right. Unfortunately we see more attitudes in today’s society than responsibility or appreciation of even simple assistance.

Hi Dyna, long time no see. Welcome back.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

He didn’t get 7 years for just that. He got 7 years because as per his probation from multiple other felonies.

I was looking at the big picture. Not just this guy. He sounds like an entitled twit who thinks the world owes him in some way.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Except the clerk told him twice and followed him out for him to correct the issue and he told the clerk to F himself

And as I said in my original post, the police are half the problem. That clerk did not have to involve the police in something that petty.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Again. He didn’t get 7 years just because of 43 cents. It’s like some have no comprehension of what happened

Ppeople understand clearly what 3 strikes are. People are aware that he had at least 2 other offenses on his record. Nobody is even talking about that.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Then if true, there was the problem, his attitude about the situation and maybe life itself. Folks like him need to learn to check their attitudes when others are trying to help them make a situation right. Unfortunately we see more attitudes in today’s society than responsibility or appreciation of even simple assistance.

So for having a bad attitude or being rude, the taxpayers get to feed and house this guy for 7 years over a 43 cent dispute?

 

[VolStrom]

I found this website that shows how much TN spends on the Department of Corrections. As of 2019 it was almost $1 billion. I'd be real happy if some guy that got arrested for being a jerk and having a bad attitude cost me money for not paying 43 cents. Ras is right, the LEO's in this country have lost sight of what is legal and what is just.

Budgeting for Incarceration in Tennessee

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I found this website that shows how much TN spends on the Department of Corrections. As of 2019 it was almost $1 billion. I'd be real happy if some guy that got arrested for being a jerk and having a bad attitude cost me money for not paying 43 cents. Ras is right, the LEO's in this country have lost sight of what is legal and what is just.

Budgeting for Incarceration in Tennessee

Not only that, look at how much time and resources this one arrest used up. Just assume this guy had no strikes against him. The cop shows up, they book him, set up court dates and all of the other usual items that go along with an arrest. That officer's time was wasted and the court system had one more straw added on the back of the camel.

 

[DynaLo]

Hi Dyna, long time no see. Welcome back.

Hi NGV, thank you. I’ve been around occasionally lurking but not signing in. Safe way to keep my account.

 

[DynaLo]

So for having a bad attitude or being rude, the taxpayers get to feed and house this guy for 7 years over a 43 cent dispute?

Personally, as that clerk I’d have just paid the missing 43 cents into my cash drawer for the good karma and been done with it.
Repeat offenders in Cali making a living on the resale of up to like $900 in shoplifted items at a time with no repercussions.

 

[DynaLo]

I found this website that shows how much TN spends on the Department of Corrections. As of 2019 it was almost $1 billion. I'd be real happy if some guy that got arrested for being a jerk and having a bad attitude cost me money for not paying 43 cents. Ras is right, the LEO's in this country have lost sight of what is legal and what is just.

Budgeting for Incarceration in Tennessee

But they’re just doing what they’re told, right?
We’re seeing an ugly line getting drawn in this country and the time for LEO’s to make a choice of which side to be on is unfortunately fast approaching. Laws/lawmakers or Oath, because the Constitution is getting gang banged and most common folk are not fond of that.
Folks are also seeing the LEO Aussies and saying “oh eff no, not happening here”.

 

[VolStrom]

Personally, as that clerk I’d have just paid the missing 43 cents into my cash drawer for the good karma and been done with it.
Repeat offenders in Cali making a living on the resale of up to like $900 in shoplifted items at a time with no repercussions.

I wouldn't have put a penny into the drawer for the guy. The first fault lays with the store for doing a 2 for whatever sale and charging people full price for one item. Think of how much money this one incident will cost them by paying an employee to go to court numerous times over 43 cents.
When I was in college, I had a job at a convenience store and was working night shift. The store manager made it clear that if I broke the liquor laws and sold even one beer after hours, they could lose their license and I could be held liable for knowingly breaking the laws. One night, a guy came in after hours and tried to buy beer and I wouldn't sell it to him, so he just went back to the cooler and picked up an entire case and ran out the door with it. Since it was alcohol, I called the police over it to keep my butt out of trouble and when the fine upstanding Knoxville police officer showed up he reamed my ass over the store not having locks on the beer coolers and pretty much blamed me for it and left.
This is just one of many interactions with the police that made no sense to me, but formed an opinion of how they operate.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I wouldn't have put a penny into the drawer for the guy. The first fault lays with the store for doing a 2 for whatever sale and charging people full price for one item.

Which is why I say this shouldn't have been a police matter.

This goes back to he whole idea of "I set the rules, but the police enforces them". No, the police are already doing enough to enforce the laws/edicts of these politicians. Now a private homeowner or business owner is going to establish arbitrary rules and expect the police to enforce those, as well?