To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
You expose the Average Joe to court costs by handing them silly tickets and citations. It is a horrible way to make a living.
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I would imagine most people don’t even go to court. That means they have to miss a day of work which winds up costing them more. So it’s just more profit for the police department.
 
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KB5252 said:
You realize the police only enforce the laws on the books right? Those frivalous laws were written by the lawmakers, not enforcement.
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I’m sorry that you missed the whole point of the post.

The OP stated no one will want the job due to frivolous lawsuits then I stated that cops write frivolous tickets everyday. If a cop chooses to enforce a frivolous blown tag light law then so be it. These frivolous laws are only enforced to harass and tax mostly poor citizens and to violate constitutional rights looking for other violations.

The main point of my post was if someone doesn’t want to be a cop because they can be held accountable for violating the rights of citizens who give them the power of the badge then they probably shouldn’t be a law enforcement officer to begin with.
 
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vol445 said:
Funny thing is if people obeyed the laws we had. There wouldn’t be so many. What law do you consider frivolous? Just so I know what I’m addressing. Just to be clear I’ve wrote 2 in 26 years. I give warnings
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But you violate constitutional rights using a frivolous law to stop poor citizens looking for other violations.

Why does your profession want no oversight or accountability?

Why would good people not want to be a cop due to accountability?
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
But you violate constitutional rights using a frivolous law to stop poor citizens looking for other violations.

Why does your profession want no oversight or accountability?

Why would good people not want to be a cop due to accountability?
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You’ve yet to define what you believe is a frivolous law. And I never said I have a problem w oversight or accountability. What constructional right have I violated
 
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vol445 said:
You’ve yet to define what you believe is a frivolous law. And I never said I have a problem w oversight or accountability
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A law that serves no purpose to serve and protect or uphold the constitution.

Please define frivolous lawsuit? Since this will stop good people becoming police officers.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Window tint?
Is a safety issue. Criminals use it so they are not seen taking aim
Blown tag light?
Can Cause wrecks
Busted taillight?
See number two.[/QUOTE

Let’s start with these]
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Those are not frivolous. They are safety issues. Try again. You will be the first one to complain when you rear end someone cuz you didn’t see Their taillights.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
I’m sorry that you missed the whole point of the post.

The OP stated no one will want the job due to frivolous lawsuits then I stated that cops write frivolous tickets everyday. If a cop chooses to enforce a frivolous blown tag light law then so be it. These frivolous laws are only enforced to harass and tax mostly poor citizens and to violate constitutional rights looking for other violations.

The main point of my post was if someone doesn’t want to be a cop because they can be held accountable for violating the rights of citizens who give them the power of the badge then they probably shouldn’t be a law enforcement officer to begin with.
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Would you stay at a job where the culture was so toxic that all it took was some mundane mistake that could get you fired from your job, or being sued it possible prison time? Granted in some of the extreme cases I believe all the above is warranted but right now you could hardly blame officers for fearing all the above given the current climate. Officers have been sold out for mob justice for political aspirations.

Do we need reform, absolutely. But defunding police is a horrible idea for multiple reasons.

And if you feel it a violation of rights to be pulled over for a legitimate reason then I would say you are part of the problem as well. Officers are trained to ask questions and often find other more serious crimes when they get out with someone. If they take an illegal firearm, drugs, drunk drivers it what have you off the streets then it is a win. I would argue a good portion of the time those simple equipment citations aren't issued especially when the person has a good attitude and isn't confrontational. In my experience you get what you give most of the time when dealing with police, not always but most of the time.
 
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vol445 said:
Those are not frivolous. They are safety issues. Try again. You will be the first one to complain when you rear end someone cuz you didn’t see Their taillights.
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The Amish that ride around don't have taillights. At most, all they have is a lantern and those reflective triangles. No different than the reflective material in car taillights even if they are busted.
 
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KB5252 said:
Would you stay at a job where the culture was so toxic that all it took was some mundane mistake that could get you fired from your job, or being sued it possible prison time? Granted in some of the extreme cases I believe all the above is warranted but right now you could hardly blame officers for fearing all the above given the current climate. Officers have been sold out for mob justice for political aspirations.

Do we need reform, absolutely. But defunding police is a horrible idea for multiple reasons.

And if you feel it a violation of rights to be pulled over for a legitimate reason then I would say you are part of the problem as well. Officers are trained to ask questions and often find other more serious crimes when they get out with someone. If they take an illegal firearm, drugs, drunk drivers it what have you off the streets then it is a win. I would argue a good portion of the time those simple equipment citations aren't issued especially when the person has a good attitude and isn't confrontational. In my experience you get what you give most of the time when dealing with police, not always but most of the time.
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If someone on my job died because of my negligence, then I will have to suffer the consequences. Why should cops be any different? Do they not realize that in the real world, that is how it works?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If someone on my job died because of my negligence, then I will have to suffer the consequences. Why should cops be any different? Do they not realize that in the real world, that is how it works?
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Agreed but what about the situations where you were not negligent and followed law but end up charged with murder, like the one it Atlanta for example. Fire him for the kick after he was down, I'm fine with that but charging him with murder is not justified by the law as it is currently written. That is what I am talking about, hold them accountable, that isn't what happened in Atlanta though.
 
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vol445 said:
Those are not frivolous. They are safety issues. Try again. You will be the first one to complain when you rear end someone cuz you didn’t see Their taillights.
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A blown tag light can cause a wreck? I’m not looking at anyone’s tag light while I’m driving.

Criminals are behind window tint taking aim with what? A gun? We don’t really see a lot of stories of Drive by shootings through a window. Usually the criminal has their window rolled down.

I’ve never had an accident because someone had a busted taillight. I think that’s why vehicles have 2 of them.

There’s plenty of rapes, murders, robberies, and assaults to keep law enforcement busy, but these are not revenue producing crimes, so that’s why officers feel the need to harass and tax.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
A blown tag light can cause a wreck? I’m not looking at anyone’s tag light while I’m driving.

Criminals are behind window tint taking aim with what? A gun? We don’t really see a lot of stories of Drive by shootings through a window. Usually the criminal has their window rolled down.

I’ve never had an accident because someone had a busted taillight. I think that’s why vehicles have 2 of them.

There’s plenty of rapes, murders, robberies, and assaults to keep law enforcement busy, but these are not revenue producing crimes, so that’s why officers feel the need to harass and tax.
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Not to mention the lights that they now put in the center of the rear window. So you actually have 3 lights on many cars now.
 
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