To Protect and to Serve II

[Rasputin_Vol]

Oh there are costs. Individuals who hire knowing an individuals background can be held liable, jurisdictions can refuse to indemnify, negative retention and vicarious liability are all real things. Reputations and pensions are important to the bureaucracy as well.

How often does that occur?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Exactly. Time off with pay after an officer involved shooting. All this guy did was pull a Jussie Smollett type of stunt.

the reason that officers get "time off with pay" or "assigned administrative light duty" in police shootings is because there has to be both an internal and external investigation in each of those cases. This protects the agency, the officer, the city/county involved and the potential suspect/victim if there WERE wrongdoing. That is a pretty common-sense policy/procedure, from a legal, civil and ethical view.

As for this idiot, 95% of ALL these Facebook type "this was written on a receipt or coffee order" stories are usually made up...just because this guy is an officer doesn't make him any less or or more an idiot than servers, or doctors or lawyers that have done the same thing.

 

[Rickyvol77]

How often does that occur?

you really really need to go immerse yourself in a local law enforcement citizen's academy. I think you would be shocked at how distorted your views are concerning L.E. really is. Especially if you don't believe that occurs that much

 

[NurseGoodVol]

the reason that officers get "time off with pay" or "assigned administrative light duty" in police shootings is because there has to be both an internal and external investigation in each of those cases. This protects the agency, the officer, the city/county involved and the potential suspect/victim if there WERE wrongdoing. That is a pretty common-sense policy/procedure, from a legal, civil and ethical view.

As for this idiot, 95% of ALL these Facebook type "this was written on a receipt or coffee order" stories are usually made up...just because this guy is an officer doesn't make him any less or or more an idiot than servers, or doctors or lawyers that have done the same thing.

Good is good, evil is evil and you can't cure stupid.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Too many times these guys are allowed to resign and move on to the next town where they rinse and repeat thier tomfuqery.

Congrats to the MPD for rounding up and arresting the poor, while keeping souvenirs.

Panhandlers, homeless people, working class people just trying to make a living, middle class law abiding citizens, gun owners, reefer smokers, teenagers cutting up... these are the people cops love to harass, fleece and arrest.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

the reason that officers get "time off with pay" or "assigned administrative light duty" in police shootings is because there has to be both an internal and external investigation in each of those cases. This protects the agency, the officer, the city/county involved and the potential suspect/victim if there WERE wrongdoing. That is a pretty common-sense policy/procedure, from a legal, civil and ethical view.

As for this idiot, 95% of ALL these Facebook type "this was written on a receipt or coffee order" stories are usually made up...just because this guy is an officer doesn't make him any less or or more an idiot than servers, or doctors or lawyers that have done the same thing.

What happens to a citizen that fires his weapon? Are they given several days or weeks to get their affairs in order and allow for due process?

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

As for this idiot, 95% of ALL these Facebook type "this was written on a receipt or coffee order" stories are usually made up...just because this guy is an officer doesn't make him any less or or more an idiot than servers, or doctors or lawyers that have done the same thing.

Well, there is a slight difference... or actually 2 differences between cops and most other professions. First off, LEOs have the power to not only put your freedoms and property in jeopardy, but they also have your life in their hands. Secondly, the Thin Blue Line has successfully made themselves a protected class in this country, where they are granted victim status privileges that are not usually extended to other citizens.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Panhandlers, homeless people, working class people just trying to make a living, middle class law abiding citizens, gun owners, reefer smokers, teenagers cutting up... these are the people cops love to harass, fleece and arrest.

Pretty much, anyone that is weak or law abiding.

 

[davethevol]

Too many times these guys are allowed to resign and move on to the next town where they rinse and repeat thier tomfuqery.

Congrats to the MPD for rounding up and arresting the poor, while keeping souvenirs.

I will say that my experience with panhandlers in Knoxville is that many do it to get money for drugs. We have shelters and several soup kitchens for those that don’t have a place to stay or food to eat. In Knoxville at least, there isn’t any reason for a homeless person to go hungry unless they choose to do so. Maybe this situation is just bad optics.

 

[Rickyvol77]

What happens to a citizen that fires his weapon? Are they given several days or weeks to get their affairs in order and allow for due process?

A citizen that fires his weapon? Like in a crime, or self-defense? When are they ever fired immediately from their work, unless it was something directly related to their job policies/regulations? And you believe that if someone is arrested or investigated, they don't have due process?

 

[Rickyvol77]

I will say that my experience with panhandlers in Knoxville is that many do it to get money for drugs. We have shelters and several soup kitchens for those that don’t have a place to stay or food to eat. In Knoxville at least, there isn’t any reason for a homeless person to go hungry unless they choose to do so. Maybe this situation is just bad optics.

Knoxville has a very small "local" homeless population, and then a much bigger one imported for monetary reasons by KARM and other like-minded institutions. Since we sit on I-40/I-75 two of the heaviest interstates in the US, we get transients from all over, plus criminals looking to hide out, plus other cities from Ohio to Florida to NC ship their homeless here via bus tickets

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

A citizen that fires his weapon? Like in a crime, or self-defense? When are they ever fired immediately from their work, unless it was something directly related to their job policies/regulations? And you believe that if someone is arrested or investigated, they don't have due process?

Look no further than Amber Geiger. If a civilian had shot another person in their own living room, how would that have gone down?

 

[Rickyvol77]

Pretty much, anyone that is weak or law abiding.

I don't "pick" on people because they are weak and definitely not if they are law-abiding. Unlike you i have worked closely with several homeless people in Knoxville, and know their names, back stories, issues, etc. I know the difference between mentally ill, veterans, temporarily homeless families, vs. those attempting to do harm to others, or hiding out as sex offenders and murderers, or those who just want to piss on people and steal their money...they are not all equal in terms of their issues and what damage they do to the city...

And how do i pick on working class people again? reefer smokers? Again i have never in my life arrested or even cited someone for just smoking a joint, but as with most people who use drugs, it's never "Just" one thing is it?

Teenagers cutting up? What does this mean? Do i arrest young people who get into drunken bar fights and assault people? yeah...how about vandalizing people's property? breaking into cars and joyriding? yeah...

I have yet to see anything accurate with what you post about law enforcement in general. You pick and choose crimes and random stories about coffee cups and hold it up as some grand portrayal of the evil system...lol

 

[Rickyvol77]

Well, there is a slight difference... or actually 2 differences between cops and most other professions. First off, LEOs have the power to not only put your freedoms and property in jeopardy, but they also have your life in their hands. Secondly, the Thin Blue Line has successfully made themselves a protected class in this country, where they are granted victim status privileges that are not usually extended to other citizens.

- I agree with your first part, and i wouldn't take that power lightly at all. Out of the hundred of THOUSANDS of law enforcement officers out there, i am sure there are some that do...There are some that are crazy, or corrupt or criminals or just bad people. But guess what? 1. That's a very very small number of all law enforcement. 2. They usually get weeded out early 3. Officers are just people like any other profession, they aren't perfect and they make mistakes. The problem i have is most instances of "bad police shootings" or "police overreach and brutality" are not in reality. It's a misconception from the anti-authority types of what law or police procedures actually are.

- on the 2nd part, this is not really true either. There are "enhancement" laws in some states that bump up an assault on L.E. Officers as an Aggravated Assault, but this is also true of many groups of people (doctors, RNs, EMTs, Pilots, Firefighters, Military, politicians, judges, etc.)

 

[Rickyvol77]

Look no further than Amber Geiger. If a civilian had shot another person in their own living room, how would that have gone down?

The same way it did for the most part, if another tired person went to an apartment that looked the same as hers and thought someone was in her apartment and shot them. They would've been investigated and the D.A. would have decided if charges needed to be brought, and it wouldve went from there...Pretty much the exact same as it happened.
Are you aware that there are between 5-10 shootings in the Knoxville area a WEEK? Do you know how many get arrested, prosecuted, etc? I think you would be surprised

 

[tim]

Meh, they don't care. Police misconduct doesn't cost them a damn thing, it's the taxpayers who take it on the chin when the cops step out of line and suits are filed.

Cops are taxpayers igmo

 

[tim]

Well, there is a slight difference... or actually 2 differences between cops and most other professions. First off, LEOs have the power to not only put your freedoms and property in jeopardy, but they also have your life in their hands. Secondly, the Thin Blue Line has successfully made themselves a protected class in this country, where they are granted victim status privileges that are not usually extended to other citizens.

Speaking of professions... I asked what you did a few posts back.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Speaking of professions... I asked what you did a few posts back.

Electrical engineer

 

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[Rickyvol77]

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is this a joke??
have you missed all the social media fake stories from different people claiming someone wrote something bad on a coffee or receipt or napkin?

black waitress, old man, gay couple, pregnant waitress, deaf person, person with service animal, etc.

That's why i never believe any social media story no matter who says it without evidence

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

is this a joke??
have you missed all the social media fake stories from different people claiming someone wrote something bad on a coffee or receipt or napkin?

black waitress, old man, gay couple, pregnant waitress, deaf person, person with service animal, etc.

That's why i never believe any social media story no matter who says it without evidence

One difference is that those people are identified afterwards. But for some reason, the Thin Blue Line is protecting this officers identity. Again, an example of special privileges extended to cops that isn't given to average citizens.

 

[Rickyvol77]

One difference is that those people are identified afterwards. But for some reason, the Thin Blue Line is protecting this officers identity. Again, an example of special privileges extended to cops that isn't given to average citizens.

when someone is fired, the company doesnt always have to identify them to the media. Who cares who he is? Do you believe that if you get fired for doing something stupid, your company should broadcast out to everyone? Do you think that happens regularly? When i have someone call me for a reference of a former subordinate, i have brief HR type statements that acknowledge they worked for me and if i would hire them again. That's a normal process in business no matter who you are

ALSO those people were identified because THEY came to the media and made up the story...this idiot lied to his co workers and they pushed it further than he wanted and he got busted...now he is gone for good...

 

[tim]

Electrical engineer

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

when someone is fired, the company doesnt always have to identify them to the media. Who cares who he is? Do you believe that if you get fired for doing something stupid, your company should broadcast out to everyone? Do you think that happens regularly? When i have someone call me for a reference of a former subordinate, i have brief HR type statements that acknowledge they worked for me and if i would hire them again. That's a normal process in business no matter who you are

ALSO those people were identified because THEY came to the media and made up the story...this idiot lied to his co workers and they pushed it further than he wanted and he got busted...now he is gone for good...

What you are saying makes total sense... had this entire drama not played itself out in social media. Had the officer (or any other employee) done anything not involving social media and possible deformation/libel charges, you would be correct.

 

[tim]

when someone is fired, the company doesnt always have to identify them to the media. Who cares who he is? Do you believe that if you get fired for doing something stupid, your company should broadcast out to everyone? Do you think that happens regularly? When i have someone call me for a reference of a former subordinate, i have brief HR type statements that acknowledge they worked for me and if i would hire them again. That's a normal process in business no matter who you are

ALSO those people were identified because THEY came to the media and made up the story...this idiot lied to his co workers and they pushed it further than he wanted and he got busted...now he is gone for good...

Sounds like the herd got rid of a weak link.