To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is one possibility, but yet, the fact that you have a guy that does comply at least at some point with 4 LEO's and a K9 within feet of him (21ft??). The time for them to have easily closed that gap is when he was on both knees, arms extended and looking ahead. If I had to throw in my own speculations, I bet these cops saw this and immediately began throwing out more commands ("put your left arm up, point your toes to the east, wiggle your nose... do the hokey pokey" nonsense) or instructions while this guy is probably doing his best to keep his balance or get in a comfortable stance.
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He disobeyed commands and stood up AFTER the running from police and they didn’t know if he had a weapon or not. Pretty clear cut legal case of proper K9 apprehension
 
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#8,805
Rasputin_Vol said:
45 minutes driving like Ms Daisy to a medical facility. Not exactly Clyde Barrow running towards a weapons cache at the hideout.
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I’m normally with you Ras but in this case it’s reasonable to not trust this guy. It’s all on him. If he had pulled over and had his license ready he likely gets a ticket or a warning and sent on his way. There’s nothing normal about this guy’s behavior. I don’t have an issue with non lethal in this case.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He disobeyed commands and stood up AFTER the running from police and they didn’t know if he had a weapon or not. Pretty clear cut legal case of proper K9 apprehension
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Those cops were not concerned about that guy having a weapon once he got on his knees and spread his arms out. Again, I bet you those cops made this a lot longer than it needed to be by trying to give out a bunch of orders/commands that really don't amount to a hill of beans. "Put your hand on your head... don't move... cross your legs..." As soon as that guy was on his knees with his arms out, they could have approached with guns drawn and taken the guy down without even needing the K9.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Those cops were not concerned about that guy having a weapon once he got on his knees and spread his arms out. Again, I bet you those cops made this a lot longer than it needed to be by trying to give out a bunch of orders/commands that really don't amount to a hill of beans. "Put your hand on your head... don't move... cross your legs..." As soon as that guy was on his knees with his arms out, they could have approached with guns drawn and taken the guy down without even needing the K9.
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You don’t think that a subject has ever pulled a gun on an officer after getting on his knees? They didn’t know if he had a gun on him. The minute he stood back up and tried to enter the business the k9 took him down. Standard procedure. Quite elementary training really
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
45 minutes driving like Ms Daisy to a medical facility. Not exactly Clyde Barrow running towards a weapons cache at the hideout.
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So officers are required to be psychic about the guy’s intentions? What if he drove there to kill someone he knew? Or was simply another mental case putting those people at risk?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
So officers are required to be psychic about the guy’s intentions? What if he drove there to kill someone he knew? Or was simply another mental case putting those people at risk?
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That's your damn problem, you guys assume that everyone is a hired killer and is looking to blow you away. You guys are just douche bags.
 
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VolStrom said:
That's your damn problem, you guys assume that everyone is a hired killer and is looking to blow you away. You guys are just douche bags.
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No it’s because we encounter violence so often, that we are cautious. And running from the police is not a “normal behavior” no matter how bad criminal enablers want to make it
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No it’s because we encounter violence so often, that we are cautious. And running from the police is not a “normal behavior” no matter how bad criminal enablers want to make it
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You're jerks and use any chance you can to "protect" yourself. You're a coward and you won't do anything without being in an overwhelming force situation.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Generalize much? Guessing you’ve had some run ins with the police before
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I've never been arrested, but I have had the pleasure of being treated as a criminal by the police. I'm guessing that you've broken way more laws than I ever thought of.
 
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VolStrom said:
I've never been arrested, but I have had the pleasure of being treated as a criminal by the police. I'm guessing that you've broken way more laws than I ever thought of.
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so you believe all law enforcement is the same based on some random encounter where you got butthurt at being stopped?
 
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VolStrom said:
You're jerks and use any chance you can to "protect" yourself. You're a coward and you won't do anything without being in an overwhelming force situation.
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Even with overwhelming force, such as the case in question, it still seemed to hinder them from making a reasonable arrest. You had 2 or 3 Leo's with guns drawn while the guy had his back to them and was on his knees with both arms extended...
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
You think every person that speaks negatively of the police has had “run ins” so what’s the difference?
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No I don’t. I recognize when someone has irrational hatred though. It’s usually due to some encounter 10 years ago where they met some officer who was a jerk or they simply lacked the understanding of law and police procedure to fully get what was going on
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Is there anyone in this country that hasn’t had a “run in” with cops?
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You just put your finger on to something and may not have realized it. It would be very hard to find one individual over the age of 21 that has NOT had a run in with the cops. That lets you know right there that you are in a police state. Cops are always poking, prodding and itching to write a ticket or shoot off a round.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
No I don’t. I recognize when someone has irrational hatred though. It’s usually due to some encounter 10 years ago where they met some officer who was a jerk or they simply lacked the understanding of law and police procedure to fully get what was going on
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Lol or sometimes they’re just jerks.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You don’t think that a subject has ever pulled a gun on an officer after getting on his knees? They didn’t know if he had a gun on him. The minute he stood back up and tried to enter the business the k9 took him down. Standard procedure. Quite elementary training really
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OK, Tackleberry... let's say this guy did have a gun. Walk me through what would have been the likely scenarios for the cops in that situation.

Does releasing the dog remove the threat of a gun on the assailant?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
OK, Tackleberry... let's say this guy did have a gun. Walk me through what would have been the likely scenarios for the cops in that situation.

Does releasing the dog remove the threat of a gun on the assailant?
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The dog controls and distracts the subject thus giving the officers the upper hand. I suggest you do a citizens academy sometime to see how police actually train and work
 
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