To Protect and to Serve II

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Weezy said:
I just want to say Rickyvol is the sane, reasonable one here. A quick reading of this thread would not give that impression. I didn't think this was Twitter where everyone is full of **** idiots.
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Thanks for saying that, don’t let a few boisterous posters with disagreeing views let you think that everyone online thinks that way. They are a minority opinion for a reason
 
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#8,777
Rickyvol77 said:
I’ve had plenty of people that have been speeding and even caused accidents but I didn’t give tickets too. However even then, the officer didn’t cause the accident. Which was clearly obvious
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You’ve had fatal accidents involving reckless driving speeding and the person speeding wasn’t cited? Does this argument go both ways? If the DUI driver kills the speeding cop does he walk because the cop was speeding?
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
You’ve had fatal accidents involving reckless driving speeding and the person speeding wasn’t cited? Does this argument go both ways? If the DUI driver kills the speeding cop does he walk because the cop was speeding?
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I didn’t say fatal accidents. You keep trying to move the goalposts to fit your misguided view of the world
how about this? If an officer was driving drunk and ran a stop sign and was hit by a citizen and killed, the officer would still be to blame for the accident.
just like this dumbass criminal was killed because he was drunk, ran a stop sign and wasnt wearing a seat belt

Pretty simple concept. You want to blame the officer because you hate police, but the blame lies on the idiot who put himself and others at risk and basically got himself killed
 
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#8,779
Rickyvol77 said:
I didn’t say fatal accidents. You keep trying to move the goalposts to fit your misguided view of the world
how about this? If an officer was driving drunk and ran a stop sign and was hit by a citizen and killed, the officer would still be to blame for the accident.
just like this dumbass criminal was killed because he was drunk, ran a stop sign and wasnt wearing a seat belt

Pretty simple concept. You want to blame the officer because you hate police, but the blame lies on the idiot who put himself and others at risk and basically got himself killed
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How is the guy driving twice the speed limit also not an “idiot who put himself and others at risk”?
 
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#8,780
DancingOutlaw said:
How is the guy driving twice the speed limit also not an “idiot who put himself and others at risk”?
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He shouldn’t speed but that wasn’t the cause of the accident. Now if they had said, the other driver was driving down the road and this ranger had speed so recklessly he had last control and hit him and killed him then I would agree with you. But that’s not what happened
 
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#8,782
Nasty case, bad law:
http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2019/12/04/17-17492.pdf

Victim was at her cousin’s house on the evening of May 2, 2013. When boyfriend arrived at the house, he became physically abusive. She hides from him. Calls police. Gets a cab to her residence where boyfriend and police are there. Boyfriend tells her not to talk to them. Police officers ask her to repeat her accusation, in front of the boyfriend, without separating her from the abuser. She recants and goes inside. The officers stay outside talking to him saying “why are you dating someone like that?” He goes back inside and roughs her up some more.

A month later he beats her so bad one of the neighbors calls 911. “Yambupah [responding officer] had received domestic violence training. She noticed that Martinez had injuries consistent with those of a victim of physical abuse, including a red cheek, scrapes on her knees, a manicured fingernail that was broken and bleeding, a torn shirt, and bruising on her arms. She photographed Martinez’s injuries. Although Yambupah later acknowledged that separating Martinez and Pennington was important because of the possibility of intimidation, Martinez testified that they were not separated by more than seven feet when she and Yambupah spoke. Martinez, believing that Pennington was within earshot, whispered to Yambupah that the injuries had been inflicted by Pennington, that Pennington had tried to smother her with a pillow, and that he had attempted to choke her.” Yambupah tells her supervisor she’s going to make an arrest (which is mandatory under California law) and the Supervisor tells her to refer it to the district attorney instead. They eventually leave. They don’t inform her of her right to make a citizens arrest and they don’t provide her with any of the educational materials for domestic assault victims. He beats her some more.

Eventually he gets arrested and convicted.

Oh btw, the abusive boyfriend was a police officer on administrative leave for domestic assault against another woman. He was friends with one of the first officers and the supervisor who overruled the arrest was friends with his father.

9th circuit rules that the officers involved have qualified immunity.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Nasty case, bad law:
http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2019/12/04/17-17492.pdf

Victim was at her cousin’s house on the evening of May 2, 2013. When boyfriend arrived at the house, he became physically abusive. She hides from him. Calls police. Gets a cab to her residence where boyfriend and police are there. Boyfriend tells her not to talk to them. Police officers ask her to repeat her accusation, in front of the boyfriend, without separating her from the abuser. She recants and goes inside. The officers stay outside talking to him saying “why are you dating someone like that?” He goes back inside and roughs her up some more.

A month later he beats her so bad one of the neighbors calls 911. “Yambupah [responding officer] had received domestic violence training. She noticed that Martinez had injuries consistent with those of a victim of physical abuse, including a red cheek, scrapes on her knees, a manicured fingernail that was broken and bleeding, a torn shirt, and bruising on her arms. She photographed Martinez’s injuries. Although Yambupah later acknowledged that separating Martinez and Pennington was important because of the possibility of intimidation, Martinez testified that they were not separated by more than seven feet when she and Yambupah spoke. Martinez, believing that Pennington was within earshot, whispered to Yambupah that the injuries had been inflicted by Pennington, that Pennington had tried to smother her with a pillow, and that he had attempted to choke her.” Yambupah tells her supervisor she’s going to make an arrest (which is mandatory under California law) and the Supervisor tells her to refer it to the district attorney instead. They eventually leave. They don’t inform her of her right to make a citizens arrest and they don’t provide her with any of the educational materials for domestic assault victims. He beats her some more.

Eventually he gets arrested and convicted.

Oh btw, the abusive boyfriend was a police officer on administrative leave for domestic assault against another woman. He was friends with one of the first officers and the supervisor who overruled the arrest was friends with his father.

9th circuit rules that the officers involved have qualified immunity.
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I agree the police were in the wrong here on multiple levels, evidence of Domestic assault leads to automatic arrests, no "asking your supervisor" bullcrap...and not separating the two subjects is just terrible police work....the police DO have qualified immunity here, but should definitely have lost civil suit here
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Nasty case, bad law:
http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2019/12/04/17-17492.pdf

Victim was at her cousin’s house on the evening of May 2, 2013. When boyfriend arrived at the house, he became physically abusive. She hides from him. Calls police. Gets a cab to her residence where boyfriend and police are there. Boyfriend tells her not to talk to them. Police officers ask her to repeat her accusation, in front of the boyfriend, without separating her from the abuser. She recants and goes inside. The officers stay outside talking to him saying “why are you dating someone like that?” He goes back inside and roughs her up some more.

A month later he beats her so bad one of the neighbors calls 911. “Yambupah [responding officer] had received domestic violence training. She noticed that Martinez had injuries consistent with those of a victim of physical abuse, including a red cheek, scrapes on her knees, a manicured fingernail that was broken and bleeding, a torn shirt, and bruising on her arms. She photographed Martinez’s injuries. Although Yambupah later acknowledged that separating Martinez and Pennington was important because of the possibility of intimidation, Martinez testified that they were not separated by more than seven feet when she and Yambupah spoke. Martinez, believing that Pennington was within earshot, whispered to Yambupah that the injuries had been inflicted by Pennington, that Pennington had tried to smother her with a pillow, and that he had attempted to choke her.” Yambupah tells her supervisor she’s going to make an arrest (which is mandatory under California law) and the Supervisor tells her to refer it to the district attorney instead. They eventually leave. They don’t inform her of her right to make a citizens arrest and they don’t provide her with any of the educational materials for domestic assault victims. He beats her some more.

Eventually he gets arrested and convicted.

Oh btw, the abusive boyfriend was a police officer on administrative leave for domestic assault against another woman. He was friends with one of the first officers and the supervisor who overruled the arrest was friends with his father.

9th circuit rules that the officers involved have qualified immunity.
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40% spousal abuse rate amongst law enforcement.
National Center For Women and Policing
 
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#8,785
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
40% spousal abuse rate amongst law enforcement.
National Center For Women and Policing
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Anyone who commits domestic abuse against wife, husband or kids, etc. should go to jail...i agree with you.

Law enforcement, like EMS, Fire Department, Military, or any other high-stress, high-risk job has the ability to wear down certain people and cause undue high levels of stress that tear families apart and cause high suicide rates. Counseling and asking for help is important
 
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#8,791
davethevol said:
His bond is way too low for what he’s accused of doing.
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I’ve never seen a rape case here with a $25,000 bond, much less two counts in multi-victim case like this. I like Judge Poole as a person but that number is shocking to me. I sort of assume it has been agreed to.
 
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Have any of you watched “the confession killer” series on Netflix, it’s about Henry Lee Lucas? It’s terrifying how law enforcement allowed killers all over the country to walk free because they had this one man willing to confess to anything. Then they went after one of their own when he started looking into it.
 
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#8,793
Rasputin_Vol said:
Not really. He's a cop. Thin blue line. Thank you for your service...

You know, they are super- citizens.
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And another case of one psycho violating people while other cops watched and did nothing. None of this was reported by fellow officers, it was complaints from citizens. He strip searched minors on the side of the road and the other guy must have thought this is solid police work. Somehow the bad 2% all wound up working the same shifts with this guy. That’s pretty coincidental.
 
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Wow.

25 felonies and 19 misdemeanors.

Many of those are rape, kidnapping etc ...dont know Tennessee law, but as fed charges, each of those has a mandatory minimum and presumptive sentence that is even longer.
Example Rape 1 count: mandatory 5 years, presumptive 8 years with a maximum of 15.

Granted, they will drop/consolidate many of those charges, or just flat out dismiss most of them with a plea deal...but either way, this guy could end up locked up permanently.

But hes a cop. So that's not gonna happen. Will be really interesting to see how it plays out. The raping and stalking and cavity searches crap makes him a straight up sociopath and sex offender though...he should do some serious time. Yall keep us posted as this one develops
 
#8,795
#8,795
marcusluvsvols said:
Wow.

25 felonies and 19 misdemeanors.

Many of those are rape, kidnapping etc ...dont know Tennessee law, but as fed charges, each of those has a mandatory minimum and presumptive sentence that is even longer.
Example Rape 1 count: mandatory 5 years, presumptive 8 years with a maximum of 15.

Granted, they will drop/consolidate many of those charges, or just flat out dismiss most of them with a plea deal...but either way, this guy could end up locked up permanently.

But hes a cop. So that's not gonna happen. Will be really interesting to see how it plays out. The raping and stalking and cavity searches crap makes him a straight up sociopath and sex offender though...he should do some serious time. Yall keep us posted as this one develops
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Assuming (pretty safely) he has no priors, he’s probably looking at 8-12 years. Anything over 8 cannot be probated in TN.

Technically he could get like 100 years but I’m not going to do the math. He won’t get consecutive sentences unless the rapes turn out to be really strong cases.

JMO.
 
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#8,796
marcusluvsvols said:
Wow.

25 felonies and 19 misdemeanors.

Many of those are rape, kidnapping etc ...dont know Tennessee law, but as fed charges, each of those has a mandatory minimum and presumptive sentence that is even longer.
Example Rape 1 count: mandatory 5 years, presumptive 8 years with a maximum of 15.

Granted, they will drop/consolidate many of those charges, or just flat out dismiss most of them with a plea deal...but either way, this guy could end up locked up permanently.

But hes a cop. So that's not gonna happen. Will be really interesting to see how it plays out. The raping and stalking and cavity searches crap makes him a straight up sociopath and sex offender though...he should do some serious time. Yall keep us posted as this one develops
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The profession attracts a certain demographic of individuals in our society.
 
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