To Protect and to Serve II

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
40% spousal abuse rate amongst law enforcement.
National Center For Women and Policing
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Anyone who commits domestic abuse against wife, husband or kids, etc. should go to jail...i agree with you.

Law enforcement, like EMS, Fire Department, Military, or any other high-stress, high-risk job has the ability to wear down certain people and cause undue high levels of stress that tear families apart and cause high suicide rates. Counseling and asking for help is important
 
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davethevol said:
His bond is way too low for what he’s accused of doing.
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I’ve never seen a rape case here with a $25,000 bond, much less two counts in multi-victim case like this. I like Judge Poole as a person but that number is shocking to me. I sort of assume it has been agreed to.
 
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Have any of you watched “the confession killer” series on Netflix, it’s about Henry Lee Lucas? It’s terrifying how law enforcement allowed killers all over the country to walk free because they had this one man willing to confess to anything. Then they went after one of their own when he started looking into it.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Not really. He's a cop. Thin blue line. Thank you for your service...

You know, they are super- citizens.
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And another case of one psycho violating people while other cops watched and did nothing. None of this was reported by fellow officers, it was complaints from citizens. He strip searched minors on the side of the road and the other guy must have thought this is solid police work. Somehow the bad 2% all wound up working the same shifts with this guy. That’s pretty coincidental.
 
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Wow.

25 felonies and 19 misdemeanors.

Many of those are rape, kidnapping etc ...dont know Tennessee law, but as fed charges, each of those has a mandatory minimum and presumptive sentence that is even longer.
Example Rape 1 count: mandatory 5 years, presumptive 8 years with a maximum of 15.

Granted, they will drop/consolidate many of those charges, or just flat out dismiss most of them with a plea deal...but either way, this guy could end up locked up permanently.

But hes a cop. So that's not gonna happen. Will be really interesting to see how it plays out. The raping and stalking and cavity searches crap makes him a straight up sociopath and sex offender though...he should do some serious time. Yall keep us posted as this one develops
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Wow.

25 felonies and 19 misdemeanors.

Many of those are rape, kidnapping etc ...dont know Tennessee law, but as fed charges, each of those has a mandatory minimum and presumptive sentence that is even longer.
Example Rape 1 count: mandatory 5 years, presumptive 8 years with a maximum of 15.

Granted, they will drop/consolidate many of those charges, or just flat out dismiss most of them with a plea deal...but either way, this guy could end up locked up permanently.

But hes a cop. So that's not gonna happen. Will be really interesting to see how it plays out. The raping and stalking and cavity searches crap makes him a straight up sociopath and sex offender though...he should do some serious time. Yall keep us posted as this one develops
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Assuming (pretty safely) he has no priors, he’s probably looking at 8-12 years. Anything over 8 cannot be probated in TN.

Technically he could get like 100 years but I’m not going to do the math. He won’t get consecutive sentences unless the rapes turn out to be really strong cases.

JMO.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
Wow.

25 felonies and 19 misdemeanors.

Many of those are rape, kidnapping etc ...dont know Tennessee law, but as fed charges, each of those has a mandatory minimum and presumptive sentence that is even longer.
Example Rape 1 count: mandatory 5 years, presumptive 8 years with a maximum of 15.

Granted, they will drop/consolidate many of those charges, or just flat out dismiss most of them with a plea deal...but either way, this guy could end up locked up permanently.

But hes a cop. So that's not gonna happen. Will be really interesting to see how it plays out. The raping and stalking and cavity searches crap makes him a straight up sociopath and sex offender though...he should do some serious time. Yall keep us posted as this one develops
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The profession attracts a certain demographic of individuals in our society.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Then they just stood and watched while the dog chewed up his arm.

****ing tyrants.
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You obviously have never seen an actual K9 apprehension. The majority of them are minor that barely require a stitch. Another tv show/movie myth that most police K9s gnaw off an arm or pull out a throat lol. Just not reality at all.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You obviously have never seen an actual K9 apprehension. The majority of them are minor that barely require a stitch. Another tv show/movie myth that most police K9s gnaw off an arm or pull out a throat lol. Just not reality at all.
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What was the point of releasing a dog on a man that was cooperating? Why risk the dog doing any damage in the first place?
 
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Raz, I'm not sure you saw it right. Neither one of us was there, but let you give me my "think" on it after watching your video.

Moving violation...failure to yield (stop)...45 minute low-speed pursuit...suspect gets out and walks towards a clinic with other people in it. Looks like he finally stops and starts to comply with verbal commands. The book here is pretty common. Get the suspect into a kneeling or prone position; approach with both lethal and less-than-lethal cover; and apprehend. But here's where it goes off-script...

Suspect is kneeling, and then stands up. I'd bet money nobody told him to do that. In other words, he was most likely no longer compliant. Thus, hair missile. They're too far away for a Taser shot, so...dog it is.

Like I said, I wasn't there, but I've been in a few of those situations, and you never...ever...tell the suspect to "stand back up".

Not defending what they did, but if he was no longer compliant (as it appears), then deploying the K9 was by no means excessive force in that scenario. Totality of the circumstances. Don't just stare at the last 30 seconds; watch the entire 45+ minute episode. Then decide.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Raz, I'm not sure you saw it right. Neither one of us was there, but let you give me my "think" on it after watching your video.

Moving violation...failure to yield (stop)...45 minute low-speed pursuit...suspect gets out and walks towards a clinic with other people in it. Looks like he finally stops and starts to comply with verbal commands. The book here is pretty common. Get the suspect into a kneeling or prone position; approach with both lethal and less-than-lethal cover; and apprehend. But here's where it goes off-script...

Suspect is kneeling, and then stands up. I'd bet money nobody told him to do that. In other words, he was most likely no longer compliant. Thus, hair missile. They're too far away for a Taser shot, so...dog it is.

Like I said, I wasn't there, but I've been in a few of those situations, and you never...ever...tell the suspect to "stand back up".

Not defending what they did, but if he was no longer compliant (as it appears), then deploying the K9 was by no means excessive force in that scenario. Totality of the circumstances. Don't just stare at the last 30 seconds; watch the entire 45+ minute episode. Then decide.
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Good points
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
Raz, I'm not sure you saw it right. Neither one of us was there, but let you give me my "think" on it after watching your video.

Moving violation...failure to yield (stop)...45 minute low-speed pursuit...suspect gets out and walks towards a clinic with other people in it. Looks like he finally stops and starts to comply with verbal commands. The book here is pretty common. Get the suspect into a kneeling or prone position; approach with both lethal and less-than-lethal cover; and apprehend. But here's where it goes off-script...

Suspect is kneeling, and then stands up. I'd bet money nobody told him to do that. In other words, he was most likely no longer compliant. Thus, hair missile. They're too far away for a Taser shot, so...dog it is.

Like I said, I wasn't there, but I've been in a few of those situations, and you never...ever...tell the suspect to "stand back up".

Not defending what they did, but if he was no longer compliant (as it appears), then deploying the K9 was by no means excessive force in that scenario. Totality of the circumstances. Don't just stare at the last 30 seconds; watch the entire 45+ minute episode. Then decide.
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That is one possibility, but yet, the fact that you have a guy that does comply at least at some point with 4 LEO's and a K9 within feet of him (21ft??). The time for them to have easily closed that gap is when he was on both knees, arms extended and looking ahead. If I had to throw in my own speculations, I bet these cops saw this and immediately began throwing out more commands ("put your left arm up, point your toes to the east, wiggle your nose... do the hokey pokey" nonsense) or instructions while this guy is probably doing his best to keep his balance or get in a comfortable stance.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is one possibility, but yet, the fact that you have a guy that does comply at least at some point with 4 LEO's and a K9 within feet of him (21ft??). The time for them to have easily closed that gap is when he was on both knees, arms extended and looking ahead. If I had to throw in my own speculations, I bet these cops saw this and immediately began throwing out more commands ("put your left arm up, point your toes to the east, wiggle your nose... do the hokey pokey" nonsense) or instructions while this guy is probably doing his best to keep his balance or get in a comfortable stance.
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