To Protect and to Serve II

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#2,976
Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't think most of those people protesting really care about what you think... they probably just want change, by whatever means they have available. If they really thought persuasion was a real option, they would still be acting reasonably and working through the democratic process.
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Again, good luck to them/you/or anyone that thinks screwing with people's lives and sense of safety will do anything but turn people against you.
 
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hndog609 said:
Again, good luck to them/you/or anyone that thinks screwing with people's lives and sense of safety will do anything but turn people against you.
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Again, I think these people are past the point of caring what you think about their protests. They are in an emotional frenzy right now.
 
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utvols88 said:
"Bob murders Sue. But Bob shouldn't be charged because Tiffany hit his friends car with a bat.

If you took care of Tiffany hitting a car with a bat first, Bob wouldn't have had to murder Sue. Bob did nothing wrong"

That's you. That's how ****ing dumb you sound.
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What the crap? My wife (Tiffany) did not hit Bob's car dang it. Don't drag her into this!😬
 
#2,980
#2,980
Rasputin_Vol said:
Again, I think these people are past the point of caring what you think about their protests. They are in an emotional frenzy right now.
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Understood... that doesn't change my observation.

If that kind of approach becomes more prevalent/more involving I can all but guarantee the protesters will be seen more as criminals themselves and interest in what's being protested will be even more curtailed.
 
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#2,981
http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/apple/video.php?v=wshht44zdr85x04Gs0qL

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A group of New Jersey police officers are facing termination after a video surfaced which appears to show them kicking a man who was on fire following a police chase that ended in a serious crash. The critically burned man was actually an innocent bystander, not the driver being pursued, and the Jersey City mayor on Thursday vowed to pursue charges against the officers. Posted By Persist
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#2,984
Rasputin_Vol said:
No, in your example, the greatest injustice followed the first action. In the case of this St. Louis incident, the greater injustice (like a cop killing a civilian) is followed by a lesser injustice (protesters holding up traffic).

Its very easy to create straw-men arguments and rip them to pieces, but the fact remains that police forces need to address their widespread problem of serving violence to the public for the most minimal of offenses, and then turn around and expect the public to carry on a calm, dignified manner.
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Yeah... you don't get it and the cloud that surrounds you has severely damaged your ability of rational thought on this subject.

Even if you switch the order of the issues it still doesn't justify the other. Period. A victim in an assault, traffic blockage, whatever is still in no way, shape or form associated with the prior incident. Thus, they don't deserve to be victimized by ANYONE.

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#2,985
#2,985
Here's something worthy of your scorn, Ras. 18 officers arrested in an 18 month period:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/jso-deputy-arrested-in-beating-of-handcuffed-17-year-old

That's what we call a "systemic problem" in that force and is in dire need of reform. You aren't going to find many pro-LEO individuals on here that will argue that department isn't corrupt as all get out and needs better selection criteria.

Things like this can actually be far better received than overreaching generalizations of law enforcement as a whole.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Things like this can actually be far better received than overreaching generalizations of law enforcement as a whole.
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If the public saw more of this and less of the Betty Shelbys of the world walking away free after they've killed a civilian, then we would have better LE/civilian relations.
 
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#2,987
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Look at how LEO bows down to the people they really serve and protect. We've got civilians being dragged out of cars and guns waved at them for filming cops, flipping them off or simply asking why they are being pulled over. Meanwhile, politicians, banksters and other elitists turn the tip of the spear back on them and they apologize and ask for seconds...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA[/youtube]

Imagine the reaction a civilian would get if they told a cop "there will be consequences" if the cop tried to stop them from filming or asked them to identify themselves?
 
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#2,993
Carl Pickens said:
I don't recall ever seeing what happened before the shooting.... the dude did have a gun in his lap if I recall
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I don't think more video changes anything.

The guy says he had a concealed carry and then reaches for ID. Why would he tell the cop he has a gun if he's going to reach for it and harm the cop? It makes absolutely no sense. The cop in the moment tries to refute things that he doesn't agree with, but he does not refute this narrative.

How is that not manslaughter? If you do this, you're going to jail.

"He let the officer know he has a firearm and he was reaching for his wallet and the officer shot him"

Then he doesn't administer first aid. He keeps treating him like he's a dangerous criminal. Then the cops handcuff her.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't think more video changes anything.

The guy says he had a concealed carry and then reaches for ID. Why would he tell the cop he has a gun if he's going to reach for it and harm the cop? It makes absolutely no sense. The cop in the moment tries to refute things that he doesn't agree with, but he does not refute this narrative.

How is that not manslaughter? If you do this, you're going to jail.

"He let the officer know he has a firearm and he was reaching for his wallet and the officer shot him"

Then he doesn't administer first aid. He keeps treating him like he's a dangerous criminal. Then the cops handcuff her.
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I agree, that seemed open and shut to me. It was also odd how the wife acted if I remember correctly.
 
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#2,996
n_huffhines said:
I'm no expert on normal vs odd behavior for people who have a gun pointed at them just after their spouse has been shot.
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I'm not either but if I recall correctly she didn't seem concerned about her husband. I just recall it didn't seem normal. Or maybe I should say it wasn't what I expected.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm not either but if I recall correctly she didn't seem concerned about her husband. I just recall it didn't seem normal. Or maybe I should say it wasn't what I expected.
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How his so-called "wife/girlfriend" acted is a whole new topic/debate. I just hate that the last thing this poor guy saw before he died was this cop pointing a gun at him and that ratchet heifer pointing a smartphone at him.
 
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