To Protect and to Serve II

#2,953
#2,953
Grand Vol said:
Not in Ras' world.
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Excuse me for focusing on the cause of the protest to begin with instead of focusing on the results.

The aim is to prevent things like this from happening again. Or, we can just put our heads in the sand and continue as we have been and allow this to really reach a fever pitch.
 
#2,954
#2,954
Rasputin_Vol said:
Excuse me for focusing on the cause of the protest to begin with instead of focusing on the results.

The aim is to prevent things like this from happening again. Or, we can just put our heads in the sand and continue as we have been and allow this to really reach a fever pitch.
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Excuse me for not forgiving a bunch of rabble-rousers causing more harm than good to their cause. At some point land whale should have figured out she made her point and moved her fat ass out of the way and allowed traffic to move. She got what was coming to her. Again, play stupid games, get results.

Now, I don't know the full story on the raid that killed the individual in question. All I can read are the reports in the news and draw my own conclusions from that. He was allegedly dealing narcotics (though none were found) and fired at the SWAT team as they entered the home after, again allegedly, announcing themselves.

Now I do know this level of civil disobedience is not helping at all. Let me ask you this, how many of them voted in the last election? Or intend to in the next election? Don't care about the President or Congress, I want to know how many voted for local leaders who would promise police reform. A DA who would get in and start looking deeper into the police using force (it's already started by the way).

There's an old saying: soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box. They are on their soap box and using it in the way wrong way. I'd bet half or more don't use the ballot box even though it's the easiest way to get a DA and City Council voted in that's sympathetic to their cause. They have a jury box to use after that DA gets installed, and we'll have to see how the new one reacts to this. And let's hope it never gets to the ammo box level.
 
#2,955
#2,955
Grand Vol said:
Excuse me for not forgiving a bunch of rabble-rousers causing more harm than good to their cause. At some point land whale should have figured out she made her point and moved her fat ass out of the way and allowed traffic to move. She got what was coming to her. Again, play stupid games, get results.

Now, I don't know the full story on the raid that killed the individual in question. All I can read are the reports in the news and draw my own conclusions from that. He was allegedly dealing narcotics (though none were found) and fired at the SWAT team as they entered the home after, again allegedly, announcing themselves.

Now I do know this level of civil disobedience is not helping at all. Let me ask you this, how many of them voted in the last election? Or intend to in the next election? Don't care about the President or Congress, I want to know how many voted for local leaders who would promise police reform. A DA who would get in and start looking deeper into the police using force (it's already started by the way).

There's an old saying: soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box. They are on their soap box and using it in the way wrong way. I'd bet half or more don't use the ballot box even though it's the easiest way to get a DA and City Council voted in that's sympathetic to their cause. They have a jury box to use after that DA gets installed, and we'll have to see how the new one reacts to this. And let's hope it never gets to the ammo box level.
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Voting doesn't change things.
 
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#2,957
#2,957
Rasputin_Vol said:
Excuse me for focusing on the cause of the protest to begin with instead of focusing on the results.

The aim is to prevent things like this from happening again. Or, we can just put our heads in the sand and continue as we have been and allow this to really reach a fever pitch.
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an injustice does not ever qualify another instance of injustice. I can't believe I have to say this...
 
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utvols88 said:
an injustice does not ever qualify another instance of injustice. I can't believe I have to say this...
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Deal with the first injustice and everything else will work itself out. But of course, the easy answer is to just focus on the protesters wrong doings, though.

We can deal with the injustice of the cops by voting, however.
 
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#2,959
Rasputin_Vol said:
Excuse me for focusing on the cause of the protest to begin with instead of focusing on the results.

The aim is to prevent things like this from happening again. Or, we can just put our heads in the sand and continue as we have been and allow this to really reach a fever pitch.
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I'm not certain you understand negative association. Protest is fine. Protest where people come away with a poor view of the protesters is at best not going to help the cause and may even bring about a negative bias.
 
#2,960
#2,960
Rasputin_Vol said:
Deal with the first injustice and everything else will work itself out. But of course, the easy answer is to just focus on the protesters wrong doings, though.

We can deal with the injustice of the cops by voting, however.
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And this is why one cannot have a rational discussion with you in this thread. You go full retard eventually taking something out of context.

You want to know what the problem is and the one you are ignoring? The shooting happened on June 7th. These protests were the same damn night. This isn't a protest over a lack of indictment for the cop or a trial that doesn't go their way. This is pure rabble-rousing as I stated before. The body practically wasn't even cold by the time they hit the streets protesting for "justice." The investigation into the shooting hadn't even started and they are screaming for "justice."

These are Social Justice instigators that aren't concerned with anything justice related. Trouble makers, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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#2,961
Not only do I not give a rat's anus what happened to senorita lardo, I hope she has to pay for any damage done to the person's car.
 
#2,962
#2,962
Rasputin_Vol said:
Deal with the first injustice and everything else will work itself out. But of course, the easy answer is to just focus on the protesters wrong doings, though.

We can deal with the injustice of the cops by voting, however.
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"Bob murders Sue. But Bob shouldn't be charged because Tiffany hit his friends car with a bat.

If you took care of Tiffany hitting a car with a bat first, Bob wouldn't have had to murder Sue. Bob did nothing wrong"

That's you. That's how ****ing dumb you sound.
 
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#2,963
utvols88 said:
"Bob murders Sue. But Bob shouldn't be charged because Tiffany hit his friends car with a bat.

If you took care of Tiffany hitting a car with a bat first, Bob wouldn't have had to murder Sue. Bob did nothing wrong"

That's you. That's how ****ing dumb you sound.
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No, in your example, the greatest injustice followed the first action. In the case of this St. Louis incident, the greater injustice (like a cop killing a civilian) is followed by a lesser injustice (protesters holding up traffic).

Its very easy to create straw-men arguments and rip them to pieces, but the fact remains that police forces need to address their widespread problem of serving violence to the public for the most minimal of offenses, and then turn around and expect the public to carry on a calm, dignified manner.
 
#2,964
#2,964
Rasputin_Vol said:
Its very easy to create straw-men arguments and rip them to pieces, but the fact remains that police forces need to address their widespread problem of serving violence to the public for the most minimal of offenses, and then turn around and expect the public to carry on a calm, dignified manner.
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Not quite as widespread as you would lead others to believe...
 
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#2,965
Grand Vol said:
And this is why one cannot have a rational discussion with you in this thread. You go full retard eventually taking something out of context.

You want to know what the problem is and the one you are ignoring? The shooting happened on June 7th. These protests were the same damn night. This isn't a protest over a lack of indictment for the cop or a trial that doesn't go their way. This is pure rabble-rousing as I stated before. The body practically wasn't even cold by the time they hit the streets protesting for "justice." The investigation into the shooting hadn't even started and they are screaming for "justice."

These are Social Justice instigators that aren't concerned with anything justice related. Trouble makers, nothing more, nothing less.
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This is only one of but many cases. Lets not get sanctimonious and act as though we don't have a severe issue in this country with cops overstepping their bounds or escalating a situation.
 
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#2,966
Rasputin_Vol said:
This is only one of but many cases. Lets not get sanctimonious and act as though we don't have a severe issue in this country with cops overstepping their bounds or escalating a situation.
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Again, not quite as widespread as you would lead others to believe.
 
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#2,967
hndog609 said:
I'm not certain you understand negative association. Protest is fine. Protest where people come away with a poor view of the protesters is at best not going to help the cause and may even bring about a negative bias.
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I would say that most people have given up on logical/reasonable solutions to this problem. Those solutions hadn't done much of anything to stop our out of control police departments. Once logical and reasonable solutions are diminished, people turn to emotional/anger-filled actions. The time to reason with the public was a long time ago. But the more we see cop killers skating off into the sunset after each civilian killing, the more times we will see this type of nonsense.
 
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#2,970
Rasputin_Vol said:
Its not me leading people to that conclusion, its the record of LEO themselves.
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And still not as widespread as you would lead others to believe. Here's a poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183704/confidence-police-lowest-years.aspx

And the figures?

Overall, 25% of Americans say they have a great deal of confidence in the police, 27% quite a lot, 30% "some," 16% "very little" and 2% "none." The combined 18% who have very little or no confidence in police is the highest Gallup has measured to date. The full results for the trend are shown at the end of this article.
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82% of the people still have confidence in police. Comparison? Only 19% of people trust the federal government:

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/23/457063796/poll-only-1-in-5-americans-say-they-trust-the-government

Yeah, you probably need to rethink your stance.
 
#2,971
#2,971
Rasputin_Vol said:
I would say that most people have given up on logical/reasonable solutions to this problem. Those solutions hadn't done much of anything to stop our our of control police departments. Once logical and reasonable solutions are diminished, people turn to emotional/anger-filled actions. The time to reason with the public was a long time ago. But the more we see cop killers skating off into the sunset after each civilian killing, the more times we will see this type of nonsense.
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So we have settled the question... you do not understand negative association.

Good luck with that.
 
#2,973
#2,973
Grand Vol said:
And still not as widespread as you would lead others to believe. Here's a poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183704/confidence-police-lowest-years.aspx

And the figures?



82% of the people still have confidence in police. Comparison? Only 19% of people trust the federal government:

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/23/457063796/poll-only-1-in-5-americans-say-they-trust-the-government

Yeah, you probably need to rethink your stance.
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Hillary was ahead by 20 pts in some polls a few months ago...
 
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hndog609 said:
So we have settled the question... you do not understand negative association.

Good luck with that.
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I don't think most of those people protesting really care about what you think... they probably just want change, by whatever means they have available. If they really thought persuasion was a real option, they would still be acting reasonably and working through the democratic process.
 
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