To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
How does me selling loose cigarettes or driving with jet black tinted windows impact your freedom?
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Selling loose cigarettes does effect your ability to run a business.. I'm sure you would feel much differently about the guy if you was the business owner... As far as jet black tinted windows..... They were legal when I was a kid until idiots started shooting cops and made it dangerous for them.... The majority of laws come about bc of our own citizens stupidity.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I have no issue with this. My issue is that this sort of treatment should be extended to civilians as well...
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It is extended to civilians.... You can find examples of situations like this extending to civilians as well. It's just not posted on here.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Dude..... His death was unintentional. It's not like they drew down on him and filled him full of lead.
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When you have someone down and they repeatedly say they can't breath, what's the difference? This was not a situation where lethal force was required. The guy was selling cigarettes.

Violence was used to subdue a peaceful person and it directly led to his death.

The mocking of Eric Garner on this forum is disgusting.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Selling loose cigarettes does effect your ability to run a business.. I'm sure you would feel much differently about the guy if you was the business owner... As far as jet black tinted windows..... They were legal when I was a kid until idiots started shooting cops and made it dangerous for them.... The majority of laws come about bc of our own citizens stupidity.
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Gee, I thought most of the laws came about because of the whims of filthy politicians looking to collect revenue.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The mocking of Eric Garner on this forum is disgusting.
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As is bringing it up each and every time someone wants to make a point. If it happened more regularly, sure, make it a point of conversation. But good grief, that horse has been beaten to dust.

There comes a point where one becomes a laughingstock because they have nothing else to fall back on but the singular incidents over a period of years. And we're well past that point.
 
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Obsessed said:
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You don't see the majority of people in here complaining about murders. We're mostly complaining about people that make rolling stops, people with busted tail lights, sellers of loose cigarettes, small time drug dealers and users, and people that talk back to the cops when they do dumb s**t.

No one in here is losing sleep about bloody murderers. You sound ridiculous.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Selling loose cigarettes does effect your ability to run a business.. I'm sure you would feel much differently about the guy if you was the business owner... As far as jet black tinted windows..... They were legal when I was a kid until idiots started shooting cops and made it dangerous for them.... The majority of laws come about bc of our own citizens stupidity.
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The solution to cops getting shot on traffic stops is to reduce the number of reasons they make those traffic stops in the first place. That has been one of the major themes of this thread from the beginning.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
When you have someone down and they repeatedly say they can't breath, what's the difference? This was not a situation where lethal force was required. The guy was selling cigarettes.

Violence was used to subdue a peaceful person and it directly led to his death.

The mocking of Eric Garner on this forum is disgusting.
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He was not a peaceful person.... He was cited over 30 times and knew he was not allowed to be there... He was asked to come talk to the officers... He refused and began cussing them... It was at that time he physically had to be removed.... It is sad he died but his actions led directly to his death
 
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Folks really need to understand the difference between these two terms.

Malum prohibitum (plural mala prohibita, literal translation: "wrong [as or because] prohibited") is a Latin phrase used in law to refer to conduct that constitutes an unlawful act only by virtue of statute,[1] as opposed to conduct that is evil in and of itself, or malum in se.


Malum in se (plural mala in se) is a Latin phrase meaning wrong or evil in itself. The phrase is used to refer to conduct assessed as sinful or inherently wrong by nature, independent of regulations governing the conduct. It is distinguished from malum prohibitum, which is wrong only because it is prohibited.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Not really. As you never bring a counter argument other than "that's the law."
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I bring plenty of counter arguments, you and others just don't listen to them or love to Monday Morning QB the situations with "well, they should have done this instead."

But yes, my point is proven that some posters in here cannot make a valid argument without reaching for loose cigarettes, broken taillights, etc. And it truly is doesn't help their case because others just roll their eyes and move on past any argument they might have made in the first place.
 
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volbeast33 said:
He was not a peaceful person.... He was cited over 30 times and knew he was not allowed to be there... He was asked to come talk to the officers... He refused and began cussing them... It was at that time he physically had to be removed.... It is sad he died but his actions led directly to his death
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The police initiated the violence.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
When you have someone down and they repeatedly say they can't breath, what's the difference? This was not a situation where lethal force was required. The guy was selling cigarettes.

Violence was used to subdue a peaceful person and it directly led to his death.

The mocking of Eric Garner on this forum is disgusting.
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And the Eric Garner case would/should be the easiest case for most people to have compassion about. Notice, at not one time have I defended the actions of Mike Brown because I believe in that particular case, Brown may have been the aggressor in that case. However, with video footage of a man in broad daylight getting the Radio Raheem treatment over something as trivial as loose cigarettes... and then for these clowns to use the defense that the cops used where they said the guys weight was the contributing factor to his death, not the full weight of the cop being applied to the throat of Garner as he screams "I can't breath"... just disgusting.

His dying words were "I can't breath". He obviously didn't have trouble breathing until the cops jumped him.
 
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Grand Vol said:
As is bringing it up each and every time someone wants to make a point. If it happened more regularly, sure, make it a point of conversation. But good grief, that horse has been beaten to dust.

There comes a point where one becomes a laughingstock because they have nothing else to fall back on but the singular incidents over a period of years. And we're well past that point.
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At no time in a civilized society should the death of a civilian at the hands of a cop be forgotten because of something as trivial as loose cigarettes. That is an indication of our society reaching a level that is barbarism.

Oh, one more thing, just so I make this clear, I haven't made this a race issue, either. This is a US of A police/law enforcement issue. Our law enforcement and lawmakers are the worst on the planet. When we house more prisoners than the Communist Chinese that have a population 3 times larger than us, it is quite evident that we are doing it wrong.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And the Eric Garner case would/should be the easiest case for most people to have compassion about. Notice, at not one time have I defended the actions of Mike Brown because I believe in that particular case, Brown may have been the aggressor in that case. However, with video footage of a man in broad daylight getting the Radio Raheem treatment over something as trivial as loose cigarettes... and then for these clowns to use the defense that the cops used where they said the guys weight was the contributing factor to his death, not the full weight of the cop being applied to the throat of Garner as he screams "I can't breath"... just disgusting.

His dying words were "I can't breath". He obviously didn't have trouble breathing until the cops jumped him.
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If I recall correctly, Garners death was declared a homicide by the NYC medical examiner. Yet, no charges on the cops involved. Also, wasn't the EMS workers who arrived on site suspended without pay over the incident?
 
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Grand Vol said:
I bring plenty of counter arguments, you and others just don't listen to them or love to Monday Morning QB the situations with "well, they should have done this instead."

But yes, my point is proven that some posters in here cannot make a valid argument without reaching for loose cigarettes, broken taillights, etc. And it truly is doesn't help their case because others just roll their eyes and move on past any argument they might have made in the first place.
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Well then settle it here and now, what are your thoughts on the death of Eric Garner? Should the officers involved faced charges?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
At no time in a civilized society should the death of a civilian at the hands of a cop be forgotten because of something as trivial as loose cigarettes. That is an indication of our society reaching a level that is barbarism.
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At what point do you have to understand and realize that you continually bringing it up is making you a laughingstock? We aren't laughing at the death of a man over what seems to be a trivial crime. We are laughing at you because you have nothing to contribute without having to fall back on three or four cases over a period of years.

Rasputin_Vol said:
Oh, one more thing, just so I make this clear, I haven't made this a race issue, either. This is a US of A police/law enforcement issue. Our law enforcement and lawmakers are the worst on the planet. When we house more prisoners than the Communist Chinese that have a population 3 times larger than us, it is quite evident that we are doing it wrong.
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lol at using China as a reference. I'm not sure you really want to compare stats with the nation with the highest death penalty or the nation that includes drug dealing and embezzlement as capital crimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_offences_in_China
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
"duty bound"... (unless it is a fellow cop, then we will take all the steps necessary to get this guy some help and not ruin their lives over a non-crime...)
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And there is yet another laughable post you try to make. "Duty bound" that pops up whenever you don't have an argument to what I post.

You really are sad and pathetic.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And it truly is doesn't help their case because others just roll their eyes and move on past any argument they might have made in the first place.
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I will continue to highlight the trivial and ridiculous reasons that people are forced to encounter law enforcement until the time that law enforcement realizes that it is not worth their while to enforce such petty infractions. But until then, you can expect more people to die or get injured at the hands of cops because they fell "duty bound" to harass normal civilians on the highways or on the sidewalks that are simply minding their own business and engaging in entrepreneurial activity. If I'm driving to work or driving back home, don't impede my travels over some trivial busted tail light or seat belt violation or tinted windows. If I'm on a public sidewalk, don't harass me about selling lemonade, reefer or loose cigarettes. Hell, if the lawmakers made drugs legal, then you wouldn't have corner drug dealers anyways. They would sell drugs in a brick and mortar instead.

Lastly, if taxes on cigarettes were not so high in the city of New York, you wouldn't have people buying as many loose cigarettes because they can't afford an entire pack.
 
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