To Protect and to Serve II

#902
#902
Grand Vol said:
How about manslaughter then? Because here's the quote from article about the large elephant in the room:



Two people died and the only thing they did was pull his license? And he's eligible to reapply after a year?

This doctor deserves special rights for knowingly operating on patients while under the influence and killing two people, even unintentionally?
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No, the dr doesn't deserve "special rights." They do have the forms the patient signs before the surgery. That is a contract. That is how they are "protected" as far as I understand the medicine field. But, him being inebriated would also make that contract void.

I might could go with manslaughter for this situation, being he was a known drug abuser.

As for me, I look up reviews on any doctor I deal with. It's only smart to do so.
 
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#904
#904
Grand Vol said:
It's only silly because you deem it to be silly. The idea was brought forth that no other profession kills people and gets away with it. To which I countered with facts showing the lie of that statement.

You deem it silly because you have no reliable argument to counter the facts of the matter.
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Cdywolfe said:
LE is the only profession I can think of where they can multiple videos from different angles of two cops murdering a man and not only are they cleared of wrong doing but the profession stands behind them. So you're right... That is pretty f'n interesting.
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I didn't say kills people. I said murders people. There's a difference. One which you conveniently ignored while buring my strawman to the ground. For instance, the mentally ill guy the cops executed in Fresno recently. That was murder. There's no one on the planet other than LE that doesn't go to jail for that. But their actions are being, for the most part, defended by the LE community.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I didn't say kills people. I said murders people. There's a difference. One which you conveniently ignored while buring my strawman to the ground. For instance, the mentally ill guy the cops executed in Fresno recently. That was murder. There's no one on the planet other than LE that doesn't go to jail for that. But their actions are being, for the most part, defended by the LE community.
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You do realize how many times the word "murder" is tossed around with cops names in this and the other thread? Even when it doesn't apply?

Forgive me if the terms get blurred because of overuse.
 
#906
#906
Grand Vol said:
You do realize how many times the word "murder" is tossed around with cops names in this and the other thread? Even when it doesn't apply?

Forgive me if the terms get blurred because of overuse.
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Kind of an important distinction but whatever...
 
#907
#907
Grand Vol said:
So the 12,000 people killed by unnecessary surgery signed off on the "inherently dangerous" nature of medicine? No, they were convinced by a doctor they needed that surgery. And willingly signed off on said surgery because they didn't question the knowledge of said doctor. And paid for that with their life. And did I see 12,000 surgeons going to trial for it?
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Assuming that 12000 number is a result of an unnecessary surgery, their lives are worth no more or less than those lives lost in an unnecessary traffic stop. The difference is that doctors take the Hippocratic Oath and are out to save lives. Cops take an oath to defend the constitution and fail to do so in the majority of situations.
 
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#909
#909
Obsessed said:
Was he out of line?

I would have broke his jaw... The officer showed more restraint than I would have.
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Good grief... I never said the officer was out of line in tthis incident. I was only pointing out that the chokehold, next to a cops side arm, is his most effective weapon.
 
#911
#911
Rasputin_Vol said:
If you start to put doctors in jail for a misdiagnosis or the wrong prescription, how. many people will be willing to enter the profession?
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Perhaps if they were held to the same standards as normal citizens (just like I've argued that police should be as well) they wouldn't be so eager to pay off the families when they kill someone.

Your argument actually works against you.
 
#912
#912
volbeast33 said:
I think you are wrong.... Our defensive coordinator claims that pressure bursts pipes and that is dealing with a ball game.... Think of the pressure going into a rough neighborhood where 17 murders had been committed in a single weekend.... The ones committing crimes should be punished to the fullest extent of the law but the others should have protections when doing their job.
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How much pressure is on the open heart surgeon that has to operate on GrandVol's relative or close friend that weighs 280 lbs and is 60 years old and been smoking the previous 45 years of his life? Doctor knows that if GV can't arrest him for murder in the operating room in a criminal court, GV would probably pull him over and shoot him in the back as he was driving away after the civil court case is settled. He may even sprinkle some cocaine/loose cigarettes around the doctor's body or bust his tail light to make it justifiable.
 
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#913
Rasputin_Vol said:
How mch pressure on on the open heart surgeon that has to operate on GrandVol's relative or close friend that weighs 280 lbs and 60 years old been smoking the previous 45 years of his life? Doctor knows that if GV can't arrest him for murder in the operating room in a criminal court, GV would probably pull him over and shot him in the back as he was drivng away after the civil court case is settled. May even sprinkle some cocaine/loose cigarettes around the doctor's body or bust his tail light to make it justfiable.
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Nice!

Can't win the argument, resort to extremes.

You going to stomp your feet next?
 
#915
#915
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Why am I not suprised....
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Did you miss this part?

The measure allows public release of recordings that involve an officer's violation of a law enforcement agency's administrative policy or "alleged use of unlawful or unnecessary force in violation of state law or the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States" — but only after completion of "any investigation" into the individual case as well as completion of any trial or disciplinary proceeding involving the recording — which would take months at minimum and more likely years.
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Why is it such a bad idea to wait for the investigation process to be complete before releasing the video?
 
#917
#917
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Uh, because it's public information.
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As it will be. But are police required to release all information involving an investigation as soon as they get it?

What makes this any different? Why is it imperative the video be shown before an investigation is complete?
 
#918
#918
Grand Vol said:
As it will be. But are police required to release all information involving an investigation as soon as they get it?

What makes this any different? Why is it imperative the video be shown before an investigation is complete?
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For transparency.

If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to worry about. Right?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
For transparency.

If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to worry about. Right?
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Edited after I quoted.

How about they wait for the investigation to be over before they release any information? It's not like you won't be any less outraged if you have to wait a little longer to see what the bad cop did.
 
#922
#922
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
As far as a police involved shooting or killing, yes.
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What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you want to hold cops to the same standard as normal citizens, they should release all investigation notes on all crimes as soon as they get it.
 
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