To Protect and to Serve II

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NCFisher said:
Then police should enforce no law or legal order the legislature or executive enacts? You're out on a limb; there's no excuse for attacking the officer.
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Earlier you said that they should just stop policing in the communities and see how everyone likes it. (Not an exact quote I realize) there has to be a 3rd option. It cannot be that our 2 choices are ****** law enforcement and no law enforcement
 
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37L1 said:
Did you complete a form attesting to what happened to you?

What department(s)?
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Lawyers and the whole bit. got nowhere
Asked me if anything happened to the cops that shot my cousin who was asleep and unarmed because that backwards ****tards in Kentucky can’t tell the difference between circle and lane on a map.
ya ......it’s personal.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Lawyers and the whole bit. got nowhere
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What department(s)? Was this your own experiences or your relatives messed up warrant service at the wrong address?

Either way, I totally empathize with your past experiences and why you feel the way that you do.

Not all agencies handle their business the same. Some try to do it properly and are not "defend the cops all the time no matter what." Many realize that protecting bad behavior only creates worse situations for those who value their professional integrity. Many LEOs lose their jobs due to poor behavior and/or sustained complaints, many more face/receive other discipline. Most times the public doesn't know about it because police discipline is a personnel issue and is normally kept confidential by law.

Litigation and mandates have changed many for the better. There is still a long ways to go and will never be made perfect. It still doesn't change your past experiences or the circumstances behind Mr. Floyd's death.

You may want to check out your local/state law enforcement agencies policies regarding citizen complaints. They all have a set procedure and required forms that have to be completed. If nothing else you might find it interesting.
 
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NCFisher said:
Then police should enforce no law or legal order the legislature or executive enacts? You're out on a limb; there's no excuse for attacking the officer.
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How about just follow their oath to obey and defend the Constitution?

I'm not asking them to leap tall buildings or outrun a locomotive. This is just simple basic human rights stuff.

Oh, and don't kill people that are handcuffed.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Too everyone who would listen and got ignored the whole way.
there’s a serious problem with law enforcement in this country and it all comes down to accountability
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Maybe you should protest peacefully. Did you write your congressman? Put out a newspaper ad? Did you go vote?
 
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37L1 said:
Did you complete a form attesting to what happened to you?

What department(s)?
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Do you really think that filling out a piece of paper is enough to change anything with these cops? I'm asking seriously because I can't believe you are that naïve.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Lawyers and the whole bit. got nowhere
Asked me if anything happened to the cops that shot my cousin who was asleep and unarmed because that backwards ****tards in Kentucky can’t tell the difference between circle and lane on a map.
ya ......it’s personal.
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Your family should have sued. What was your cousins name and when did this happen?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How about just follow their oath to obey and defend the Constitution?

I'm not asking them to leap tall buildings or outrun a locomotive. This is just simple basic human rights stuff.

Oh, and don't kill people that are handcuffed.
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How is enforcing a local ordinance not keeping their oath?

Wow, are you really going to equate enforcing an order of a closed area with the killing of Floyd?? That doesn't lend itself to rational conversation.

Again, there was no reason to attack the officer for enforcing the order and you can't defend it.
 
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NCFisher said:
How is enforcing a local ordinance not keeping their oath?
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If that local ordinance conflicts with the Constitution, it shouldn't be enforced. How can you not understand that? These China Virus lockdowns where people were thrown to the ground and arrested for playing in parks and beaches across the country shows the police in our country have a systemic problem with following their oath and protecting the rights of the people.

NCFisher said:
Wow, are you really going to equate enforcing an order of a closed area with the killing of Floyd?? That doesn't lend itself to rational conversation.
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Both incidents are examples of the police not following their sworn duties. That is absolutely at the heart of the matter. It is of little significance that one involved the loss of liberties and the other involved the loss of life. Both are violations that deserve equal attention.

NCFisher said:
Again, there was no reason to attack the officer for enforcing the order and you can't defend it.
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Cops would do themselves a huge favor from now on if they would obey their oath and treat their fellow man better than to engage in the foolishness these lawmakers have them doing. All cops do is enforce laws (no matter how trivial) and collect revenue.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Earlier you said that they should just stop policing in the communities and see how everyone likes it. (Not an exact quote I realize) there has to be a 3rd option. It cannot be that our 2 choices are ****** law enforcement and no law enforcement
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No, I didn't; I stated that would be instructive and especially for the people who want to make this about race. You seemed to think that logical exercise a great idea in practicality.

We have one choice and that is to have law enforcement and hold bad cops, or grossly negligent cops, responsible on a case by case basis.
And we should not stop with holding police to the same standard as any other, but also hold the black community to the same standard as every other racial and ethnic community. And hold rioters and looters to the same standard as any other criminal and forcibly restrain their violence.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If that local ordinance conflicts with the Constitution, it shouldn't be enforced. How can you not understand that? These China Virus lockdowns where people were thrown to the ground and arrested for playing in parks and beaches across the country shows the police in our country have a systemic problem with following their oath and protecting the rights of the people.



Both incidents are examples of the police not following their sworn duties. That is absolutely at the heart of the matter. It is of little significance that one involved the loss of liberties and the other involved the loss of life. Both are violations that deserve equal attention.



Cops would do themselves a huge favor from now on if they would obey their oath and treat their fellow man better than to engage in the foolishness these lawmakers have them doing. All cops do is enforce laws (no matter how trivial) and collect revenue.
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How is closing a recreational area a violation of the constitution? This guy wasn't thrown to the ground, etc, but was told the area was closed whereupon Thug #1 and #2 had to turn it into a confrontation and punching an officer?

Again, I'm waiting for the case to be made the officer violated the constitution by stating the area is closed.

That's why it's termed law enforcement. You don't like those laws, your problem is with your legislature or local/state executive.
 
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NCFisher said:
How is closing a recreational area a violation of the constitution? This guy wasn't thrown to the ground, etc, but was told the area was closed whereupon Thug #1 and #2 had to turn it into a confrontation and punching an officer?
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In that particular incident, it wasn't a violation. But the city should have never closed the park down to begin with.

My main point is mainly directed at far better cases and examples of cops enforcing gatherings at churches and restaurants and using force to do so. Totally uncalled for and unconstitutional.

NCFisher said:
That's why it's termed law enforcement. You don't like those laws, your problem is with your legislature or local/state executive.
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They lawmakers are also the problem. I agree. But that doesn't mean that the police need to enforce these unconstitutional laws.

How hard is that for you to understand?
 
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NCFisher said:
No, I didn't; I stated that would be instructive and especially for the people who want to make this about race. You seemed to think that logical exercise a great idea in practicality.

We have one choice and that is to have law enforcement and hold bad cops, or grossly negligent cops, responsible on a case by case basis.
And we should not stop with holding police to the same standard as any other, but also hold the black community to the same standard as every other racial and ethnic community. And hold rioters and looters to the same standard as any other criminal and forcibly restrain their violence.
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I apologize if I misunderstood or misrepresented you.
That was not my intention.

In 2020 with what we know about DNA, anyone who thinks they’re better/worse than another person based on pigmentations is a ****ing moron.
Having said that .........death by police is the 6th leading cause of death in African American men. That’s a problem that needs to be solved
 
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