To Protect and to Serve II

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Rickyvol77 said:
What department was this? You have to know that this experience isn’t a common one
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Sure it’s not.
You’re clearly not paying attention and turning a blind eye.
I’m 51 with no record and actually do my best to be law abiding. When the police has lost my trust through multiple interactions then that’s a problem of their making not mine.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Sure it’s not.
You’re clearly not paying attention and turning a blind eye.
I’m 51 with no record and actually do my best to be law abiding. When the police has lost my trust through multiple interactions then that’s a problem of their making not mine.
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Ok and that’s some redneck county police in what the early 1980s? I have personally witnessed in my 20 former years of law enforcement exactly TWO cases of true police misconduct. One was an officer who conducted an arrest while intoxicated (he was turned in by his partners and fired). And one was an officer who used what I would consider excessive force by using pain compliance when not necessary. (I turned him in and he was punished and eventually was fired).
Police misconduct is not as rampant as some make it out to be. It happens some sure but there are hundreds of thousands of LEO and just like any other profession they sometimes get idiots. Hell I’ve gotten as many doctors fired for abuse as I’ve seen officers do
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Sure it’s not.
You’re clearly not paying attention and turning a blind eye.
I’m 51 with no record and actually do my best to be law abiding. When the police has lost my trust through multiple interactions then that’s a problem of their making not mine.
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Have you filed any complaints?
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
In my early 30s working for a restaurant known as “Roy Peppers porch” we had a bread known as flower pot bread. As the name implies it’s cooked in little flower pots. On my way to Nashville to a landscaping supply house to buy 1000 flower pots. Paying cash. The cash was sitting in the center console.
I’m pulled over for running the speed limit. Let that sink in. Not speeding....I look guilty for driving an expensive car and not speeding. Was asked about the cash. Told the truth. They didn’t believe me. Asked to search the car. I said no. I was removed from the car. While answering questions I was hit with a flashlight for being a smartasses. Apparently answering “yes” or “no” is smartass. I was struck 4 times. There’s a lot more but after 1-2 hours they finally decided they had nothing to charge me with. And let me go. They followed me all the way to the landscaping place and went in to make sure I safely bought the flower pots.

Keeping the world safe from a guy with no record, not even a speeding ticket.
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All because they could....this type thing is what fertilizes the hate. You’re stuck... you can’t do anything about it except take it or make it worse for yourself.
 
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NCFisher said:
Then police should enforce no law or legal order the legislature or executive enacts? You're out on a limb; there's no excuse for attacking the officer.
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I agree with you here. Meeting lawlessness with lawlessness will and has gotten us nowhere. If anything it clouds the issue. There needs to be a change. Accountablility is seriously lacking. it’s not all bad though. Chattanooga has what appears to be the right kind of guy in charge now. We need a lot more like him. that doesn’t change the fact that we have a long way to go overall.
 
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NCFisher said:
Then police should enforce no law or legal order the legislature or executive enacts? You're out on a limb; there's no excuse for attacking the officer.
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Earlier you said that they should just stop policing in the communities and see how everyone likes it. (Not an exact quote I realize) there has to be a 3rd option. It cannot be that our 2 choices are ****** law enforcement and no law enforcement
 
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37L1 said:
Did you complete a form attesting to what happened to you?

What department(s)?
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Lawyers and the whole bit. got nowhere
Asked me if anything happened to the cops that shot my cousin who was asleep and unarmed because that backwards ****tards in Kentucky can’t tell the difference between circle and lane on a map.
ya ......it’s personal.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Lawyers and the whole bit. got nowhere
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What department(s)? Was this your own experiences or your relatives messed up warrant service at the wrong address?

Either way, I totally empathize with your past experiences and why you feel the way that you do.

Not all agencies handle their business the same. Some try to do it properly and are not "defend the cops all the time no matter what." Many realize that protecting bad behavior only creates worse situations for those who value their professional integrity. Many LEOs lose their jobs due to poor behavior and/or sustained complaints, many more face/receive other discipline. Most times the public doesn't know about it because police discipline is a personnel issue and is normally kept confidential by law.

Litigation and mandates have changed many for the better. There is still a long ways to go and will never be made perfect. It still doesn't change your past experiences or the circumstances behind Mr. Floyd's death.

You may want to check out your local/state law enforcement agencies policies regarding citizen complaints. They all have a set procedure and required forms that have to be completed. If nothing else you might find it interesting.
 
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NCFisher said:
Then police should enforce no law or legal order the legislature or executive enacts? You're out on a limb; there's no excuse for attacking the officer.
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How about just follow their oath to obey and defend the Constitution?

I'm not asking them to leap tall buildings or outrun a locomotive. This is just simple basic human rights stuff.

Oh, and don't kill people that are handcuffed.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Too everyone who would listen and got ignored the whole way.
there’s a serious problem with law enforcement in this country and it all comes down to accountability
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Maybe you should protest peacefully. Did you write your congressman? Put out a newspaper ad? Did you go vote?
 
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37L1 said:
Did you complete a form attesting to what happened to you?

What department(s)?
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Do you really think that filling out a piece of paper is enough to change anything with these cops? I'm asking seriously because I can't believe you are that naïve.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Lawyers and the whole bit. got nowhere
Asked me if anything happened to the cops that shot my cousin who was asleep and unarmed because that backwards ****tards in Kentucky can’t tell the difference between circle and lane on a map.
ya ......it’s personal.
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Your family should have sued. What was your cousins name and when did this happen?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How about just follow their oath to obey and defend the Constitution?

I'm not asking them to leap tall buildings or outrun a locomotive. This is just simple basic human rights stuff.

Oh, and don't kill people that are handcuffed.
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How is enforcing a local ordinance not keeping their oath?

Wow, are you really going to equate enforcing an order of a closed area with the killing of Floyd?? That doesn't lend itself to rational conversation.

Again, there was no reason to attack the officer for enforcing the order and you can't defend it.
 
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NCFisher said:
How is enforcing a local ordinance not keeping their oath?
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If that local ordinance conflicts with the Constitution, it shouldn't be enforced. How can you not understand that? These China Virus lockdowns where people were thrown to the ground and arrested for playing in parks and beaches across the country shows the police in our country have a systemic problem with following their oath and protecting the rights of the people.

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Wow, are you really going to equate enforcing an order of a closed area with the killing of Floyd?? That doesn't lend itself to rational conversation.
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Both incidents are examples of the police not following their sworn duties. That is absolutely at the heart of the matter. It is of little significance that one involved the loss of liberties and the other involved the loss of life. Both are violations that deserve equal attention.

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Again, there was no reason to attack the officer for enforcing the order and you can't defend it.
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Cops would do themselves a huge favor from now on if they would obey their oath and treat their fellow man better than to engage in the foolishness these lawmakers have them doing. All cops do is enforce laws (no matter how trivial) and collect revenue.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Earlier you said that they should just stop policing in the communities and see how everyone likes it. (Not an exact quote I realize) there has to be a 3rd option. It cannot be that our 2 choices are ****** law enforcement and no law enforcement
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No, I didn't; I stated that would be instructive and especially for the people who want to make this about race. You seemed to think that logical exercise a great idea in practicality.

We have one choice and that is to have law enforcement and hold bad cops, or grossly negligent cops, responsible on a case by case basis.
And we should not stop with holding police to the same standard as any other, but also hold the black community to the same standard as every other racial and ethnic community. And hold rioters and looters to the same standard as any other criminal and forcibly restrain their violence.
 
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