To Protect and to Serve II

[VolFaninFla]

St. Louis cop Russian roulette death: Lawyer for alleged shooter calls it 'tragic accident'

Latest update. Story gets stranger by the day.
Prosecutor: Drugs or alcohol might have role in St. Louis cop's Russian roulette shooting death

Something stinks really bad with the RR story

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

5 officers were sent to a drug warrant in Houston and were shot. Gives you an idea of what was wrong with the Stone raid (29 agents, 17 cars with two armored, and a helicoptor) and going after drug dealers(5 officers).

Anyhoo, here's what the Houston police officer Union President said.

That union rep needs to take out his anger on the lawmakers that are asking them to enforce these ridiculous drug laws and putting their fellow officers at risk.

 

[VolFaninFla]

Latest update. Story gets stranger by the day.
Prosecutor: Drugs or alcohol might have role in St. Louis cop's Russian roulette shooting death

Something stinks really bad with the RR story

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/30/us...te-shooting/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

That union rep needs to take out his anger on the lawmakers that are asking them to enforce these ridiculous drug laws and putting their fellow officers at risk.

I don't think that speech had one single thing to do with what you just typed.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I don't think that speech had one single thing to do with what you just typed.

Exactly... that was why I posted what I did. The union prez missed the mark completely.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Exactly... that was why I posted what I did. The union prez missed the mark completely.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

Wasn't agreeing. His speech was saying they're tired of being spotlighted as the bad guy while they protect and serve all the azzholes that think this way.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Officials: 33 arrested for sex trafficking in Super Bowl sting

 

[Carl Pickens]

Wasn't agreeing. His speech was saying they're tired of being spotlighted as the bad guy while they protect and serve all the azzholes that think this way.

It has to be a lot harder to find decent guys that want to be a cop these days.

 

[Cdywolfe]

Wasn't agreeing. His speech was saying they're tired of being spotlighted as the bad guy while they protect and serve all the azzholes that think this way.

There are just a few super easy things LE could do that would win back the majority of the public that's become "anti-cop" and they simply refuse to. So this loser union rep can forget his victim mentality. If cops want to know why so many have turned against them they need to look no further then the mirror.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Wasn't agreeing. His speech was saying they're tired of being spotlighted as the bad guy while they protect and serve all the azzholes that think this way.

If the police union really cared about the lives of the cops it represents it would lobby legislators to change the laws that precipitate raids on trap houses. Who cares that poor people sell weed?

 

[37L1]

If the police union really cared about the lives of the cops it represents it would lobby legislators to change the laws that precipitate raids on trap houses. Who cares that poor people sell weed?

The report was that the PD narcs were acting on information that they were selling black tar heroin.

Does that change anything?

 

[DancingOutlaw]

The report was that the PD narcs were acting on information that they were selling black tar heroin.

Does that change anything?

Not really. Do you think their customers have stopped shooting heroin now? Meanwhile two people are dead, two are critical in the hospital, and three others are wounded. Do you think the cops that got shot think it was a worthwhile mission?

 

[utvolpj]

The report was that the PD narcs were acting on information that they were selling black tar heroin.

Does that change anything?

Yet none was found. These people were such big time dealers that they had no product on hand?

Acevedo said Tuesday officers found no heroin there Monday, but they recovered marijuana, an unidentified white powder and two rifles.

Quite the haul

 

[37L1]

Yet none was found. These people were such big time dealers that they had no product on hand?



Quite the haul

It happens. Warrants are not always 100% productive. Nothing is. Remember they had to state their case in chief (probable cause) to get the warrant in the first place. Make of that what you will.

 

[37L1]

Not really. Do you think their customers have stopped shooting heroin now? Meanwhile two people are dead, two are critical in the hospital, and three others are wounded. Do you think the cops that got shot think it was a worthwhile mission?

Probably. Cops know everyday that it may be their last yet they still go to work, don't they? Many sign up to work narcotics enforcement.

 

[utvolpj]

It happens. Warrants are not always 100% productive. Nothing is. Remember they had to state their case in chief (probable cause) to get the warrant in the first place. Make of that what you will.

So you explain multiple dead and critically injured with "it happens"? All for a little weed? No wonder nothing changes

 

[Cdywolfe]

So you explain multiple dead and critically injured with "it happens"? All for a little weed? No wonder nothing changes

You said it best a few days ago...

What's the point of militarizing the police if you don't let them occasionally flex some muscle?

 

[37L1]

So you explain multiple dead and critically injured with "it happens"? All for a little weed? No wonder nothing changes

It wasn't for a little weed. Come on man. Cops get killed on traffic stops, domestic violence calls, in progress reports, etc., etc., etc., and they still respond.

Your response is that they shouldn't do it because nothing was found or achieved to meet expectations?

 

[utvolpj]

It wasn't for a little weed. Come on man. Cops get killed on traffic stops, domestic violence calls, in progress reports, etc., etc., etc., and they still respond.

Your response is that they shouldn't do it because nothing was found or achieved to meet expectations?

Yes, two people were killed in a raid that accomplished nothing. It should not have been done. Hopefully this Dept rethinks their policies after this fiasco

 

[davethevol]

Yes, two people were killed in a raid that accomplished nothing. It should not have been done. Hopefully this Dept rethinks their policies after this fiasco

Unfortunately, the department will most likely double down and become even more aggressive going forward. Many of these raids are more of a show of force than anything.

 

[37L1]

Yes, two people were killed in a raid that accomplished nothing. It should not have been done

Hindsight is 20-20 and yours is better than that based on the "facts" that you have gotten from the news. There is risk in the job. Those officers know the risks. The press is screaming about the drug epidemic. Those drugs are already illegal. So how do you propose to deal with it? Pass more laws with no enofrcement, or better yet, make them legal. That will solve all the drug problems, now won't it?

 

[37L1]

Unfortunately, the department will most likely double down and become even more aggressive going forward. Many of these raids are more of a show of force than anything.

You base that on what? There were at least a dozen officers detailed to that search warrant and this still happened. That show of force you speak of is to prevent those sort of things that happened in this case. Warrants are served everyday, hardly any turn out this way because of that "show of force."

 

[utvolpj]

Hindsight is 20-20 and yours is better than that based on the "facts" that you have gotten from the news. There is risk in the job. Those officers know the risks. The press is screaming about the drug epidemic. Those drugs are already illegal. So how do you propose to deal with it? Pass more laws with no enofrcement, or better yet, make them legal. That will solve all the drug problems, now won't it?

They had their facts wrong and people died because of it. Maybe some actual police work would have shown that to be the case. Instead they ran in ready to blast away and got caught. It's not hindsight, it's recognizing shoddy practices that are becoming more common.

The war on drugs is a failure. Has been since it started.

 

[37L1]

They had their facts wrong and people died because of it. Maybe some actual police work would have shown that to be the case. Instead they ran in ready to blast away and got caught. It's not hindsight, it's recognizing shoddy practices that are becoming more common.

The war on drugs is a failure. Has been since it started.

So's the war on poverty.

You going to give up?

So where are the other drug search warrants served where officer's have been killed, if "the shoddy practices" are so common?

 

[n_huffhines]

5 officers were sent to a drug warrant in Houston and were shot. Gives you an idea of what was wrong with the Stone raid (29 agents, 17 cars with two armored, and a helicoptor) and going after drug dealers(5 officers).

Anyhoo, here's what the Houston police officer Union President said.

When you no-knock raid someone in plain clothes and shoot their dog, don't be surprised when the homeowner thinks you're there to rob them and returns fire. There are really simple solutions to preventing the Houston shooting.