'26 TN S Craig Tutt (ole miss commit)

#276
#276
JCVol00 said:
Valid point, but to counter point, this year’s draft was the only year that a Heupel recruited and signed hs player could get drafted, as the ‘22 guys were jr’s in the ‘24 season
Click to expand...
Fair enough. What HS DB player has CJH and staff recruited & developed that is slotted as 1st/2nd string at LCB/RCB for upcoming 2025 season? After 5 years of recruiting/developing this should be an easily obtainable goal.

From analysis I have seen:

LCB: 1st - McCoy (transfer), 2nd - Hood (transfer)
RCB: 1st - Gibson ('23 HS recruit), 2nd - McMurray (transfer)

NB: 1st - Carter ('24 HS recruit), 2nd - Thomas ('22 HS recruit)

Of the 4 CBs that will be on the field the majority of the time (1 of 4). That is not a good statistic from a recruitment/development standpoint.

Numbers do improve when nickel backs are included but 5 DBs are on the field less than 35% of defensive plays.
 
#278
#278
utVolFanInVA said:
So let's see:

Taylor was 2021 SEC coaches pre-season All-SEC 3rd Team in only season under CJH, is 6'0 & runs 4.33-4.36 40-yd dash, pretty good shot getting drafted with that evaluation

Hadden was not on pre-season All-SEC team & only played 7 games due to injury in last season, is 6'1" & runs a 4.55-4.59 40-yd dash, explains team taking a flyer in late rounds

Jackson was not on pre-season All-SEC team & had a hell of RS-SR year playing as hybrid LB/S in only season under CJH, is 6'1" & runs 4.42-4.46 40-yd dash, explains team taking a flyer in late rounds

Again, not overwhelming evidence of CJH & staff identifying talent in HS and developing it into NFL caliber players.
Click to expand...
I guess you ignore McCoy & Gibson also but you keep bitchin
 
#279
#279
utVolFanInVA said:
So let's see:

Taylor was 2021 SEC coaches pre-season All-SEC 3rd Team in only season under CJH, is 6'0 & runs 4.33-4.36 40-yd dash, pretty good shot getting drafted with that evaluation

Hadden was not on pre-season All-SEC team & only played 7 games due to injury in last season, is 6'1" & runs a 4.55-4.59 40-yd dash, explains team taking a flyer in late rounds

Jackson was not on pre-season All-SEC team & had a hell of RS-SR year playing as hybrid LB/S in only season under CJH, is 6'1" & runs 4.42-4.46 40-yd dash, explains team taking a flyer in late rounds

Again, not overwhelming evidence of CJH & staff identifying talent in HS and developing it into NFL caliber players.
Click to expand...
IMG_1091.gif
 
  • Like
Reactions: Wadetime and Volunteer821
#280
#280
wmcovol said:
I guess you ignore McCoy & Gibson also but you keep bitchin
Click to expand...
You are missing the point. The comment I responded to stated "... with the DB coaching we have and the ability to spot really good talent that might not be readily apparent to the recruiting services at the time and turn them into NFL DBs."

I don't see evidence that CJH staff has obtained that level of success yet. I am not saying that UT's DBs are not good or that we have not attracted talent from the Transfer Portal.

CJH & staff has recruited 8 Transfer Portal and 14 HS DBs not including the 2025 recruits. Of those only 1 HS DB is in the 2 deep CB rotation. That shows either a bad talent evaluation or poor development as we know TN prefers HS recruits over Transfer Portal recruits. UT is very selective in the Transfer Portal.
 
#281
#281
utVolFanInVA said:
You are missing the point. The comment I responded to stated "... with the DB coaching we have and the ability to spot really good talent that might not be readily apparent to the recruiting services at the time and turn them into NFL DBs."

I don't see evidence that CJH staff has obtained that level of success yet. I am not saying that UT's DBs are not good or that we have not attracted talent from the Transfer Portal.

CJH & staff has recruited 8 Transfer Portal and 14 HS DBs not including the 2025 recruits. Of those only 1 HS DB is in the 2 deep CB rotation. That shows either a bad talent evaluation or poor development as we know TN prefers HS recruits over Transfer Portal recruits. UT is very selective in the Transfer Portal.
Click to expand...
You, along with so many other vol fans, completely fail to recognize the challenges & restrictions this staff recruited under during their first 2-3 years and still, to a lesser degree today. Heupel took over the SEC team with the lowest performance record over the previous 5 seasons (3 losing seasons, 3 losses to Vsnderbilt) along with scholarship restrictions (10 less each of his first 2 years, 2 less the next 5). Opponents also had the luxury of negatively recruiting with potential post season ban until the summer of 2023.

As I told you, keep bitchin but those of us who live in the real world recognize the program had hit rock bottom, couldn’t beat Vanderbilt in 5 of 7 years, & had high school recruits that had never seen Tennessee as a consistent winner in their recent memory. Rebuilding this roster to compete for championships was gonna take more than 2-3 years whether we like it or not.
 
  • Like
Reactions: coachchia, Vol since 77, 19_GBO_19 and 5 others
#282
#282
It doesn’t matter if we have good cbs who are recruits or transfers. Just have good ones 2 deep. Freshmen nowadays seem to give it a season or 2 for PT then look to move on anyway for $ or PT.
 
#283
#283
utVolFanInVA said:
Fair enough. What HS DB player has CJH and staff recruited & developed that is slotted as 1st/2nd string at LCB/RCB for upcoming 2025 season? After 5 years of recruiting/developing this should be an easily obtainable goal.

From analysis I have seen:

LCB: 1st - McCoy (transfer), 2nd - Hood (transfer)
RCB: 1st - Gibson ('23 HS recruit), 2nd - McMurray (transfer)

NB: 1st - Carter ('24 HS recruit), 2nd - Thomas ('22 HS recruit)

Of the 4 CBs that will be on the field the majority of the time (1 of 4). That is not a good statistic from a recruitment/development standpoint.

Numbers do improve when nickel backs are included but 5 DBs are on the field less than 35% of defensive plays.
Click to expand...


Have you ever watched our defense? We have 5 DBs most of the time. Our base is a 4-2-5.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Wadetime, Volunteer821 and LaagerVol
#284
#284
utVolFanInVA said:
You are missing the point. The comment I responded to stated "... with the DB coaching we have and the ability to spot really good talent that might not be readily apparent to the recruiting services at the time and turn them into NFL DBs."

I don't see evidence that CJH staff has obtained that level of success yet. I am not saying that UT's DBs are not good or that we have not attracted talent from the Transfer Portal.

CJH & staff has recruited 8 Transfer Portal and 14 HS DBs not including the 2025 recruits. Of those only 1 HS DB is in the 2 deep CB rotation. That shows either a bad talent evaluation or poor development as we know TN prefers HS recruits over Transfer Portal recruits. UT is very selective in the Transfer Portal.
Click to expand...
Harrison played well at NB- transferred
Matthews - transferred
Conyer- transferred twice
Gibson- starter

Hadden - portal in (NFL Draft)
McCoy- portal in (All American)
Jeudy Lallhy- portal in (unsure)

Only bust I see is Matthews maybe.
Conyer shouldn’t have been a take probably.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 19_GBO_19
#285
#285
utVolFanInVA said:
Fair enough. What HS DB player has CJH and staff recruited & developed that is slotted as 1st/2nd string at LCB/RCB for upcoming 2025 season? After 5 years of recruiting/developing this should be an easily obtainable goal.

From analysis I have seen:

LCB: 1st - McCoy (transfer), 2nd - Hood (transfer)
RCB: 1st - Gibson ('23 HS recruit), 2nd - McMurray (transfer)

NB: 1st - Carter ('24 HS recruit), 2nd - Thomas ('22 HS recruit)

Of the 4 CBs that will be on the field the majority of the time (1 of 4). That is not a good statistic from a recruitment/development standpoint.

Numbers do improve when nickel backs are included but 5 DBs are on the field less than 35% of defensive plays.
Click to expand...
Gibson is a very solid CB, could definitely end up being a day 3 draft pick. But I really dont see any other hs player that we signed that is poised to be drafted besides him. I do think McCoy and Hood will be drafted too, but they are transfers.
 
  • Like
Reactions: allvolrecruiting
#287
#287
utVolFanInVA said:
You are missing the point. The comment I responded to stated "... with the DB coaching we have and the ability to spot really good talent that might not be readily apparent to the recruiting services at the time and turn them into NFL DBs."

I don't see evidence that CJH staff has obtained that level of success yet. I am not saying that UT's DBs are not good or that we have not attracted talent from the Transfer Portal.

CJH & staff has recruited 8 Transfer Portal and 14 HS DBs not including the 2025 recruits. Of those only 1 HS DB is in the 2 deep CB rotation. That shows either a bad talent evaluation or poor development as we know TN prefers HS recruits over Transfer Portal recruits. UT is very selective in the Transfer Portal.
Click to expand...
Guy really has only had his HS guys he’s recruited for one season.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Volunteer821
#288
#288
I don't know why I keep seeing arguments that dismiss transfers and focus only on recruiting in evaluating a coach's recruiting ability in a world where the transfer portal is our new reality. Are we going to continue to not give any of our coaches credit for transfer players? Don't we realize a coach's recruiting ability in this environment is equal to his budget?
 
  • Like
Reactions: whm324, Volunteer821 and volsagain
#289
#289
utVolFanInVA said:
Fair enough. What HS DB player has CJH and staff recruited & developed that is slotted as 1st/2nd string at LCB/RCB for upcoming 2025 season? After 5 years of recruiting/developing this should be an easily obtainable goal.

From analysis I have seen:

LCB: 1st - McCoy (transfer), 2nd - Hood (transfer)
RCB: 1st - Gibson ('23 HS recruit), 2nd - McMurray (transfer)

NB: 1st - Carter ('24 HS recruit), 2nd - Thomas ('22 HS recruit)

Of the 4 CBs that will be on the field the majority of the time (1 of 4). That is not a good statistic from a recruitment/development standpoint.

Numbers do improve when nickel backs are included but 5 DBs are on the field less than 35% of defensive plays.
Click to expand...
Why does it matter if they come from high school or the portal? Other than to give you a reason to criticize? It’s 2025…the portal is a thing.

If they put good players on the field, I don’t care where they came from. Gibson and McCoy comprise one of the best starting CB tandems in the SEC. I’d venture to say that Boo is one of the top Star/Nickels in the SEC. Hood and McMurray are two of the best backups in the SEC.

This staff acquired all of those guys, either from the portal or from high school. You’re just looking for a reason to bitch, so you set up this artificial construct in order to claim that this staff is failing, instead of pointing to, you know, THE ACTUAL PRODUCT ON THE DAMN FIELD.

I swear, some of the most miserable people on Earth post on this board and their misery is entirely manufactured.
 
  • Like
Reactions: kong, CobbVol, Volunteer821 and 5 others
#291
#291
utVolFanInVA said:
Fair enough. What HS DB player has CJH and staff recruited & developed that is slotted as 1st/2nd string at LCB/RCB for upcoming 2025 season? After 5 years of recruiting/developing this should be an easily obtainable goal.

From analysis I have seen:

LCB: 1st - McCoy (transfer), 2nd - Hood (transfer)
RCB: 1st - Gibson ('23 HS recruit), 2nd - McMurray (transfer)

NB: 1st - Carter ('24 HS recruit), 2nd - Thomas ('22 HS recruit)

Of the 4 CBs that will be on the field the majority of the time (1 of 4). That is not a good statistic from a recruitment/development standpoint.

Numbers do improve when nickel backs are included but 5 DBs are on the field less than 35% of defensive plays.
Click to expand...
You do realize Martinez is why McCoy is here. Right?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Volunteer821, NighthawkVol and MarcoVol
#294
#294
An aspect of the portal that occasionally comes into play is that, with a year or two of experience, a player is able to see that another coaching staff that he turned down was actually the most truthful to him, in their assessments of where he could/should play.

And sometimes, that's enough to bring him back into that fold.
 
  • Like
Reactions: volsofsteele and miket4god
#297
#297
bignewt said:
build that fence!

right guys?

guys?
Click to expand...
I mean, we do have 4 of the top 10 players in the state committed, with another one (Wyatt) looking realistic too. Curtis we didn’t pursue. I will say though, I dont like how UGA is poaching a lot of our in state guys
 
#298
#298
JCVol00 said:
I mean, we do have 4 of the top 10 players in the state committed, with another one (Wyatt) looking realistic too. Curtis we didn’t pursue. I will say though, I dont like how UGA is poaching a lot of our in state guys
Click to expand...

i will say I don't care where they are from. at all. not even a tiny bit.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DarthVol1, Volunteer821 and Bigorangefaninga
#299
#299
VolFreakJosh said:
Petty
Click to expand...
Im a Tennessee fan all the way, but ....would you want to go to a school that believed in you all the way, or a school that obviously had doubts in you?

For the work the athlete puts in, how can you blame them? Its not holding it against a coaching staff, but it's natural to be attracted to something that you feel wants you. You are looking at it from a fans perspective and made, in my opinion, an ignorant comment.
 
#300
#300
jp1 said:
Im a Tennessee fan all the way, but ....would you want to go to a school that believed in you all the way, or a school that obviously had doubts in you?

For the work the athlete puts in, how can you blame them? Its not holding it against a coaching staff, but it's natural to be attracted to something that you feel wants you. You are looking at it from a fans perspective and made, in my opinion, an ignorant comment.
Click to expand...

There’s tons of athletes that doesn’t get looked at by their home schools.

He’s not the only one.

Trying to hold it against the staff because they didn’t actively recruit him hard is being petty imo.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top