'26 TN ATH Joel Wyatt

[walkenvol]

You aren't wrong about their available resources, but for 100 years they haven't done that while their athletics program has largely been second class (especially in football), and rev share isn’t a pool of money you can just keep adding funds to. It is capped at $20.5 mil.

Can a school use endowment money to pay athletes? Seems like that wouldn’t be in line with a school’s mission when they solicited / accepted endowment contributions?

 

[cncchris33]

Can a school use endowment money to pay athletes? Seems like that wouldn’t be in line with a school’s mission when they solicited / accepted endowment contributions?

No. Athletic budgets are completely and independently operated outside of the academic scope. Now, if anyone is contributing to a school's endowment fund, they could choose to funnel their money exclusively to athletics, instead, be that toward facility upgrades, general fund for paying coaches, or even to a collective that handles NIL opportunities for athletes. That facet is going to be more heavily scrutinized and governed going forward instead of just paying kids whatever they want to to land them. Schools now have to show the "value" of NIL payments, and that goes before a clearinghouse of sorts to be approved.

 

[walkenvol]

No. Athletic budgets are completely and independently operated outside of the academic scope. Now, if anyone is contributing to a school's endowment fund, they could choose to funnel their money exclusively to athletics, instead, be that toward facility upgrades, general fund for paying coaches, or even to a collective that handles NIL opportunities for athletes. That facet is going to be more heavily scrutinized and governed going forward instead of just paying kids whatever they want to to land them. Schools now have to show the "value" of NIL payments, and that goes before a clearinghouse of sorts to be approved.

I’ve done no research, but my impression is private universities like Vandy have large endowments from the growth of monies contributed decades ago. They’ve reached these large numbers through compound growth much like someone contributing to their IRA. I’m guessing Vandy receives less contributions annually than UT these days, but Vandy has a larger annual return on their endowment balance. Seems like Vandy would have less folks to deflect their annual contributions over to their athletic department. JMO

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Why? Vanderbilt has the largest endowment in the SEC…by far…and one of the largest in the nation. If they decide to put that money into athletics/rev share, they can outspend just about anyone. Certainly Tennessee.

I’m a little surprised it hasn’t already happened. But if it does, it’s not a “red flag.” It’s economics.

Some of you just refuse to see it. There is no helping you. Yeah losing a jig time instate prospect like this to Vandy isn’t a big deal to you. Whatever.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Vanderbilt could have all the monies and those bastages would never even close to Tennessee. One of these things is not like the others.

You are wasting your time. Some of these guys just don’t want to see it.

 

[NighthawkVol]

Some of you just refuse to see it. There is no helping you. Yeah losing a jig time instate prospect like this to Vandy isn’t a big deal to you. Whatever.

You moved the goalpost.

You said getting OUTSPENT by Vanderbilt is embarrassing. How is it embarrassing to be outspent by someone with exponentially more money than you? Explain that. If I want to buy a particular house and Warren Buffet comes in and offers millions more than I do, so he gets the house, is that embarrassing to me?

But since that doesn't make sense, you changed to, "losing an instate prospect to Vandy isn't a big deal to you." Those are two totally different issues. You had no legs on the first one, so you switched to the second one.

 

[NighthawkVol]

You aren't wrong about their available resources, but for 100 years they haven't done that while their athletics program has largely been second class (especially in football), and rev share isn’t a pool of money you can just keep adding funds to. It is capped at $20.5 mil.

There will still be NIL along with rev share. Vandy COULD decide to overspend there. And if they do, they can outspend Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, etc.

But as you allude, they have a history of abstaining from putting their vast resources into athletics. The one exception was baseball, when everyone was capped at 11.7, but Vanderbilt was fielding a roster of 35 fully funded scholarships because they were willing to put money into an endowment for those extra scholarships. The result was a dominant baseball program, until NIL evened the playing field.

We'll see if Vandy decides to spend big. But they can if they want to.

 

[cncchris33]

There will still be NIL along with rev share. Vandy COULD decide to overspend there. And if they do, they can outspend Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, etc.

But as you allude, they have a history of abstaining from putting their vast resources into athletics. The one exception was baseball, when everyone was capped at 11.7, but Vanderbilt was fielding a roster of 35 fully funded scholarships because they were willing to put money into an endowment for those extra scholarships. The result was a dominant baseball program, until NIL evened the playing field.

We'll see if Vandy decides to spend big. But they can if they want to.

You're right, there are definitely ways Vandy can choose to outspend Tennessee on a kid that is at or near the top of their list, but might be closer to the middle of Tennessee's list.

Using the term "endowment" hints at the school's academic endowment which is what I was trying to steer the conversation away from. Additionally, while rev share is capped as an institution, I'm not sure it is in terms of sports (at least that I'm aware). And, Vandy could choose to allocate a lot more funding from their football allotment to land Wyatt than Tennessee is willing to do. I'm not going to discount that possibility. Same with NIL. They, just like Tennessee, would have to justify the NIL agreement with the clearinghouse, but those pots of money, while not infinite, still have limitations, as well.

Tennessee prioritized David Sanders and outspent most other teams. As you said, no reason to think Vandy can't do the same for Wyatt, if for no other reason, he isn't nearly as in demand as someone like Sanders.

 

[Bigorangefaninga]

There will still be NIL along with rev share. Vandy COULD decide to overspend there. And if they do, they can outspend Tennessee, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, etc.

But as you allude, they have a history of abstaining from putting their vast resources into athletics. The one exception was baseball, when everyone was capped at 11.7, but Vanderbilt was fielding a roster of 35 fully funded scholarships because they were willing to put money into an endowment for those extra scholarships. The result was a dominant baseball program, until NIL evened the playing field.

We'll see if Vandy decides to spend big. But they can if they want to.

But they never will! Alumni at Vandy do not give a **** about Sports! Sooner you remember that the better you will be! I have a ton of friends that went there and they never know the record of any of their sports teams and when they give money they do not want it going to sports but to keep it one of the top academic schools in the country. If it was to drop due to sports their alumni would have a fit and the sports would absolutely shatter there. So yes they have a lot of money, but just like they can’t fill up their tiny ass stadium they don’t have the alumni support for sports needed to be tops in NIL! Thats why Pavia stayed there, he’s a god for Vandy football as small as that might be, if he goes to UT or something like that for the money and fails he would get crucified while he stays there and wins a game or two and he can get a good job after CFL ends for him. They pretty much have used most their entire NIL budget on him.

 

[Adam Sandler]

Yeah Vandy ain’t spending shite on sports. Maybeee relatively so on baseball or if they need a new bball coach but that’s it. Joel could get the lions share of this class Rev share but unless Lea is the next great unknown coach in the country (in which case I’d guess he’d get hired away) joel will still be playing on a team with a 7-5/8-4 ceiling. Personally, I’d want to go somewhere the resources were not relatively the same as what I had in high school (nothing), and he won’t find better resources for his “athletic” success than at UT.

 

[JacketVol]

Yeah Vandy ain’t shite in sports. Maybeee relatively so on baseball or if they need a new bball coach but that’s it. Joel could get the lions share of this class Rev share but unless Lea is the next great unknown coach in the country (in which case I’d guess he’d get hired away) joel will still be playing on a team with a 7-5/8-4 ceiling. Personally, I’d want to go somewhere the resources were not relatively the same as what I had in high school (nothing), and he won’t find better resources for his “athletic” success than at UT.

FYP

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I saw some clips of him working out at WR but anyone know where else he worked out at? Or what kind of workouts they run “athletes” at?

 

[allvolrecruiting]

sounds like you're letting us down nicely.

do you get a sense recruiting isn't where it needs to be be, or something has changed? and we haven't caught up?

I think Tennessee is strong spot with Wyatt to your first statement. On the second thing, I was just saying you’re going to see everyone with a four star in their class now prolly. You’re gonna see like Virginia Tech get a guy they’re going to pay for or like a TCU or something.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You moved the goalpost.

You said getting OUTSPENT by Vanderbilt is embarrassing. How is it embarrassing to be outspent by someone with exponentially more money than you? Explain that. If I want to buy a particular house and Warren Buffet comes in and offers millions more than I do, so he gets the house, is that embarrassing to me?

But since that doesn't make sense, you changed to, "losing an instate prospect to Vandy isn't a big deal to you." Those are two totally different issues. You had no legs on the first one, so you switched to the second one.

Whatever makes you feel better. It’s embarrassing because it’s Vanderbilt. I mean it’s baffling why you can’t see this. It’s not OSU or TX or Oregon. It’s Vandy. A nobody. Yoir analogy is useless. Like I said you just don’t want to see it. So you present this worthless drivel.

For the record, I think we get Wyatt. In the off chance we don’t and lose out to Vandy, it will be an embarrassment.

 

[NighthawkVol]

Whatever makes you feel better. It’s embarrassing because it’s Vanderbilt. I mean it’s baffling why you can’t see this. It’s not OSU or TX or Oregon. It’s Vandy. A nobody. Yoir analogy is useless. Like I said you just don’t want to see it. So you present this worthless drivel.

For the record, I think we get Wyatt. In the off chance we don’t and lose out to Vandy, it will be an embarrassment.

I get it. Straw men are easier to argue with. Issue spotting is hard. But it should be easier when you presented the issue in the first place.

 

[Bellbuckle vol]

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I saw some clips of him working out at WR but anyone know where else he worked out at? Or what kind of workouts they run “athletes” at?

He just won the “Mr everything “ award at the rivals five star camp - he is working so hard and it’s paying off. He will be a consensus five star by signing day.

 

[allvolrecruiting]

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I saw some clips of him working out at WR but anyone know where else he worked out at? Or what kind of workouts they run “athletes” at?

It was a normal camp setup. Individual drill work, 1v1s, 7v7.

Wyatt did good at safety getting some picks is what some people told me. I saw him at corner and woof. He wrapped up the day with mossing the living hell out of someone at receiver tho lmao

 

[VolGee4]

I’ve done no research, but my impression is private universities like Vandy have large endowments from the growth of monies contributed decades ago. They’ve reached these large numbers through compound growth much like someone contributing to their IRA. I’m guessing Vandy receives less contributions annually than UT these days, but Vandy has a larger annual return on their endowment balance. Seems like Vandy would have less folks to deflect their annual contributions over to their athletic department. JMO

I recently learned that an endowment does not always mean there is money at their disposal, and you have to look at the other financials.

Harvard has the largest endowment at $53 billion. However, they are $7.9 billion in debt, in addition to the endowment being primarily in non-liquid real estate, private equity, and venture capital funds. Just depends on each school.

 

[Bellbuckle vol]

Oklahoma offered today and told him he could play both ways. I doubt his grandmother lets him go that far away from home.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Oklahoma offered today and told him he could play both ways. I doubt his grandmother lets him go that far away from home.

seems hay is in the barn at this point

 

[BelievetheHeup2022]

Per VQ

On the in-state front, Joel Wyatt is down to two and Tennessee offers the best package overall in terms of setup and all that comes with being a home-state Vol. As we head into his July 6th decision, we still feel like Tennessee has the best chance to land him. We also continue to believe that he would rather not play outside linebacker long-term, so that situation is worth watching.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

I just have a bad feeling he’s not gonna pick on account of his seeming reluctance to play LEO.

And while part of me wishes the staff would tell the kid he can come here and play safety, I also know that it’s best to follow your evaluations and if they believe his best future is at Leo, to be true to that.

 

[volfaninpa]

I just have a bad feeling he’s not gonna pick on account of his seeming reluctance to play LEO.

And while part of me wishes the staff would tell the kid he can come here and play safety, I also know that it’s best to follow your evaluations and if they believe his best future is at Leo, to be true to that.

From the way the VQ guys are speaking, I get this same sense.

 

[JCVol00]

I dont get why the staff is so dead set on him being a leo and not wr. Our wr depth is horrible and he could provide that big body wr that we need for ‘26. Would suck badly if we miss on the top instate guy for that reason. Not to mention we only have 1 wr committed for ‘26, but 2 LEOS already, and it’s looking like keys will either be lsu or miami and bey is going to a&m, we need him at wr

 

[Jackcrevol]

From the way the VQ guys are speaking, I get this same sense.

Dont just tell someone something to get em.

But, go get him.