TKJr

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brad37128 said:
Depends what parent or booster you talk too. Winning cures everything. From the people I know, certain 5* players were shown special treatment, which caused some rift with players who actually work hard in practice (Richmond/Hurd). Most say it was clear from the first few practices that AK deserved to be the starting RB and that Richmond was nothing more than a tity baby. Nobody that post on here has any credible knowledge of what is going on in the AD department.
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The truest statement in this entire thread.
 
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sjt18 said:
I suspect that DKjr is hurt. But Jones HAS lied and been caught in it before to cover up locker room issues. The most notable case is Hurd's "lower body" injury last year.
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...lower body, aka butthurt
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Don't sweat the heat you'll take on bringing this info up. There have been rumblings of this since Vic Wharton. People would rather blame the players than the obvious common thread. There are institutional issues surrounding the program that many have been hearing about for quite some time. If you know anyone with a friend or relative on the team you eventually get wind of this stuff.
Keep blaming the players though....all is well.
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I watched the USC vs Cal game. Great game btw. Justin Wilcox has that team playing welllll above its talent level. Pushed USC around most of the game.

But Vic Wharton is killing it out there. He is one of the hinge pins of their entire offense. Shame we lost him to a transfer. Seems to be the story of Butches tenure tho.
 
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jps2194 said:
Okay, so let's blame Butch for something he may have nothing to do with it. Again, this fits your agenda so I understand.
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At the absolutely minimum... he's responsible. Do you really not get that he's the "caretaker" of UT football and all that goes with that "title"? He didn't manage the Hurd situation well. That's not speculation. That's obvious from what we KNOW... things like glowing praise and special privileges.

Okay, again this fits with your agenda.
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My agenda is seeing UT become a championship caliber program. Mismanagement of player situations doesn't help that.

I don't know what happened with TKjr but what is claimed is neither unreasonable nor even uncommon. Players get hacked off for many different reasons. Locker rooms with the known and potential problems of UT's right now aren't particularly happy places. You react as if the mere suggestion of such things was some gross betrayal of all things Orange.

So every head coach in the nation is responsible for the attitude of every player. That is a victim mentality if I've ever heard one.
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Did you really miss the point that badly or are you being dishonest?

The coach has responsibility for how he cultivates and manages the attitudes of the people on his team and in his program. That's true of any leader of any organization anywhere. I've fired people for nothing more nor less than the impact of their attitude on their coworkers. I have done this to highly talented, high performance people.

It is likely that Hurd never gets to that point if he's treated like a member of the team. If he couldn't handle not being treated like he was "special"... then the team would have been better off if he'd walked even earlier.

My whole point is, don't jump to conclusions without facts. But you've already jumped there. So we can agree to disagree. I have my opinion, you have yours, let's leave it at that.
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The facts for what I've claimed are there. You don't have to know everything to know enough to declare that Jones has mismanaged some personnel issues with the most glaring one Hurd.

The reasons for my speculation are there and there is always a difference between speculation and declarations. He did mismanage Hurd. He may have mismanaged TKjr in some way but that seems to have been resolved. There is some suggestion that there MIGHT be deeper issues... what we know can be explained by that... but we don't have enough to be sure yet.

Either way... Jones BADLY needs a big win.
 
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Booker512 said:
I watched the USC vs Cal game. Great game btw. Jim Wilcox has that team playing welllll above its talent level. Pushed USC around most of the game.

But Vic Wharton is killing it out there. He is one of the hinge pins of their entire offense. Shame we lost him to a transfer. Seems to be the story of Butches tenure tho.
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His time in K'ville is a mystery. The kid was like having another coach recruiter in putting that class together and holding it together. He was so Orange that oranges were jealous... then after one season... it wasn't what he thought it was going to be.

Some people want to take all of these circumstantial incidences and claim they prove nothing. But like a criminal case, a bunch of circumstances pointing in the same direction... make a great case.
 
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KBVol said:
Perhaps his complete, total absence from the team in practice and games is speaking for him??
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Why does nobody question Butch's answer to the Jennings question in Mondays presser? Like most of what he said it was disjointed and made less than no sense at all. It reeked of avoidance.
 
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Would not surprise me a bit if it were true.

Look at Jennings. Supposedly one of the vocal leaders of Team 121. Gets injured and what? Disappears from the appearing on the sideline during a homegame? I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense.

That may be a coincidence, but like they say...where there is smoke...
 
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KBVol said:
Perhaps his complete, total absence from the team in practice and games is speaking for him??
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Is a guy who's out for the year expected to be at every practice? Games, yea, I would expect it--but not every practice. You should be in your room, studying!
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Why does nobody question Butch's answer to the Jennings question in Mondays presser? Like most of what he said it was disjointed and made less than no sense at all. It reeked of avoidance.
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You could tell that question set Butch off because that led to his spiel about so-called "fake news" from the media.

No coach. That's not fake news. That's one of the "leaders" from team 121 and he's not on the sideline during a home game. What does that say about your program? Again, it may be a coincidence, but...as the week goes on and more "rumors" come out, the more real this scenario seems...

Certainly doesn't justify putting the blame on the younger players for "not understanding the expectations and the culture at Tennessee" (in response to the lackadaisical energy vs UMass) like he did after the game Saturday. That's convoluted bullcrap and he knows it. I'm convinced he's lost the players, lost them weeks ago. The fact that he had a TRUE FRESHMAN defending him on Twitter spoke volumes. That should NEVER happen... furthermore, why aren't veteran players backing him in that situation instead of a tr freshman? Curious, curious... Some things are starting to add up, I think.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Why does nobody question Butch's answer to the Jennings question in Mondays presser? Like most of what he said it was disjointed and made less than no sense at all. It reeked of avoidance.
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i will say this, in regards to the Jennings answer...it was a complete contradiction to what he said 2 minutes earlier where he was talking about everyone being part of the team and helping yada, yada, yada....then turns around and says well, JJ, he's too competitive, so we allow him not to being the sidelines, afraid he might go in...

that got a "wait, what?" out of me for sure....:eek:lol:
 
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UTFootballFan said:
I doubt that. I'm hearing several daddies are working the coaches over and that's part of the problem in the locker room. Not going to divulge my source so lend it whatever credibility you want, if any.
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I don't doubt it at all....but many will excoriate you for the information.

I know how information like that comes about and why people can't provide a "link" for good info.
 
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sjt18 said:
At the absolutely minimum... he's responsible. Do you really not get that he's the "caretaker" of UT football and all that goes with that "title"? He didn't manage the Hurd situation well. That's not speculation. That's obvious from what we KNOW... things like glowing praise and special privileges.

My agenda is seeing UT become a championship caliber program. Mismanagement of player situations doesn't help that.

I don't know what happened with TKjr but what is claimed is neither unreasonable nor even uncommon. Players get hacked off for many different reasons. Locker rooms with the known and potential problems of UT's right now aren't particularly happy places. You react as if the mere suggestion of such things was some gross betrayal of all things Orange.

Did you really miss the point that badly or are you being dishonest?

The coach has responsibility for how he cultivates and manages the attitudes of the people on his team and in his program. That's true of any leader of any organization anywhere. I've fired people for nothing more nor less than the impact of their attitude on their coworkers. I have done this to highly talented, high performance people.

It is likely that Hurd never gets to that point if he's treated like a member of the team. If he couldn't handle not being treated like he was "special"... then the team would have been better off if he'd walked even earlier.

The facts for what I've claimed are there. You don't have to know everything to know enough to declare that Jones has mismanaged some personnel issues with the most glaring one Hurd.

The reasons for my speculation are there and there is always a difference between speculation and declarations. He did mismanage Hurd. He may have mismanaged TKjr in some way but that seems to have been resolved. There is some suggestion that there MIGHT be deeper issues... what we know can be explained by that... but we don't have enough to be sure yet.

Either way... Jones BADLY needs a big win.
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Again, we can agree to disagree as I'm not blaming anyone for anything without any facts. I prefer to not judge a situation based on speculation and rumors. You admit that we don't have enough to be sure, yet you have already formed your conclusion which I think is silly and was my point. To blindly blame Butch for something that may or may not be true is ridiculous, caretaker or not. Obviously, he has ultimate responsibility for the program, but to specifically blame him for something that he may or may not have been directly involved in is immature. But, I get that it fits your narrative.

I didn't agree with you so you jump to conclusions about me and my opinion (again absence of any facts) and make accusations about me. That seems to be a trend for you - jumping to conclusions without facts. :)
 
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jakez4ut said:
i will say this, in regards to the Jennings answer...it was a complete contradiction to what he said 2 minutes earlier where he was talking about everyone being part of the team and helping yada, yada, yada....then turns around and says well, JJ, he's too competitive, so we allow him not to being the sidelines, afraid he might go in...

that got a "wait, what?" out of me for sure....:eek:lol:
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How about the "we're afraid he might try and run out on the field to help" BS?
 
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sjt18 said:
Coaches "insinuate" things to recruits. That's the game and both recruits and coaches know it.

That's not what I'm talking about. Your claim that he was "me first" is nothing but a convenient way of excusing Jones... that doesn't even excuse Jones. Jones made him the face of the program. Jones was the one who told the media openly that everyone noticed his presence when Hurd walked into a room. Jones allowed his behavior whatever it was in the locker room. Jones even gave him a free pass to skip practice last August for "health reasons".

Hurd had a part in it... but don't pretend Jones didn't create the situation that allowed it. He did. When he tried to rein Hurd back in... it broke.
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Maybe, I won't defend CBJ's approach to handling his players it is lacking in several areas but ultimately each player is responsible for their performance on and off the field. Hurd chose to showboat during a game. Hurd chose to pout on the sidelines. Hurd chose to take plays off. Hurd chose to create issues within the locker room. Hurd chose to practice like he owned the place. CBJ tries to be their friend during the week and acts like he is having a stroke during games. He has never balanced the two issues but each player plays for their teammates not the coach. He obviously had his issues with Jones but that doesn't give any player the a free pass when it comes to behavior that is detrimental to the rest of the team. Jones is a terrible coach but each player that agreed to play for UT knew what his track record was as a head coach and that was mediocre at best while at UT. Anyone who has ever played a team sport at a decently high level knows that you are never going to get along with every coach which is why you play for your teammates. The guys you sweat and bleed with not the coach. A player that has no problems creating issues that leads to losses without a care or concern isn't a player that others want to play with or depend upon.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
How about the "we're afraid he might try and run out on the field to help" BS?
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yeah, it was the contradiction that stuck out to me more than anything. maybe he was trying his shot at being humorous with the run on the field stuff...who knows.

i just couldn't believe what i was hearing as far as the contradiction was concerned. i don't think he was ready for that question imo.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Obviously...you're absence of information trumps others actual possession of such.

Likely, there is no "link" or source that would satisfy your anorexically narrow viewpoint.
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Then shouldn't he say IMO?

Not post it as this "is" going on at the Hill or "HE" did this?
 
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de1conley said:
I don't agree or disagree but something definitely has to happen asap. Crap is getting out of hand.
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Just don't think this horse is going back in the barn, plus even if it did, everyone would be wondering when it was coming back out.

Writing is on the wall. Whether overtly or covertly it's time for Mr. Currie to position for a transition that is minimally disruptive short-term and aligned with UT expectations long-term. Btw, that's no small task...
 
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